Since a few days now, the results of the Higher School Certificate have been made public, making some students overjoyed, while some may be disappointed.
As usual, newspapers have given much importance to the 2009 laureates.
While reading these newspapers during this weekend, I was reading the interviews of some of the laureates who have the sense of Patriotism by clearly stating that they WILL return back after their studies to help Mauritius.
However, to my astonishment, some of they said :
“After my studies, I won’t return to Mauritius”
or
“Depending on opportunities, I will decide if I will be back to Mauritius” or things like that.
F*ck to them!
How do they dare to say things like that when its with the money of the Mauritians that their studies will be financed for years?
Not only their studies, but even their living and pocket money!
Did they forgot that? or are they dumb despite being ‘laureates’?
If some of them (or even you) reply that its with their hard work that they achieved that, then they should not have competed to obtain a scholarship, CONTRIBUTED by Mauritians!
I think that the Government should make some conditions regarding these scholarships, for instance, they should return back to the country after their studies, or things like that. I dont know if it is the case, but for certain scholarships offered by certain countries, I know they have conditions.
You may perhaps have heard the ministers or other persons saying that they have kindly asked the students to return back to the country, its as if they are begging them.
Do not hesitate to forward this to your friends, specially if they form part of the 2009 laureates.
That’s my point of view and I will be happy to hear yours…
Yashvinblogs 
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@yashna – Laureate 2008 , your level of maturity can be read thru ur words. u r of those who see a mole and take it to be the world. it’s ur perception of fings. i cannot do anything about that.
i would however be interested to know which labs u have visited at uom? u have surely not gone to the robotics lab, to the EDM lab and cad/cam labs ,and metrology labs .. students at uom design robots, computer aided manufacturing equipments, automation, i am one of those..
The equipments at the cad/cam lab itself .. the edm, vmc and cnc are worth rs40millions..and that’s only for a lab, ther’s workshops with state of the art technology for corrosion testing. The sugar cane factories and other companies go to UoM for testing and analysis. I will not go into further details of all the equipments and facilities at uom.
Shall you however know that the UoM students are very demanded on the worldwide market. 5 students from my course have been taken for work in UK in the manufacturing sector using robotics for parts of airplanes and NASA equipments, including spacecrafts.
You should see more of the before drawing conclusions, quick conclusions are those taken by immature persons.
“we aren’t reaching anywhere in 4 years”- this part shows your lack of vision. With the project of Tianli, mauritius will become a serious competitor in the field of high tech equipments.
The BOM governor do what he wants at buffets and grand diners where you invite chairpersons and presidents of big enterprises. Those are the social role of persons at the head of enterprises.
Attend diners with high officers from abroad, and make them invest in Mauritius. Again, your lack of social knowledge, shows your immaturity of life, and how things are done.
Shall you then be recalled that the ex President of france, and the one before him were used to those kind of diners.
Why should the students be rewarded with scholarships, that is my question and no1 has been able to answer, why not a local scholarship ????
Again, “if the entertainments were reduced…. ” shows your immaturity, those entertainments, this is part of life and is very usual in other countries. And same for mauritius, it is the ONLY occasion when businessman and other parties can meet casually and eventually projects pop-up. That’s how it happens. If you do not know that, ther’s a lot for you to learn. AND THOSE, YOU WONT LEARN IT ON THE UNIVERSITY SEAT, BUT WHEN YOU START WORKING IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR SPECIALLY
“Well, what CAN they do for it? Change people’s mentalities? No…”
Ofcourse, they can, why not ?? why should you change people’s mentalities, that’s the attitude of people who do NOT know anything about psychology. You need not change people’s mentalities, if you have some charisma, you know well your topic, you understand what you are talking about, and you can make people understand your point. Their mentalities will change by themselves.
“Casteism and racism..”- This is present in Mauritius for sure, but as Tariq Ramadan said “..quelque chose qu’on n’aime pas, faut cessez d’en parler, parcequ’a force de le dire et de le repetez, cette chose s’amplifie et la perception de la chose est bien plus grande que ce qu’elle est en realiter..”- he was talking about racism and division in the society. This is the sole problem in mauritius. There is NO racism, you walk around, everywhere you go, ther’s no racism, voting for someone of the same religion as urself does not mean you are racist. This is a false conception of racism.
“the salary they deserve”- again, how do they know they deserve it ? if they really do deserve it, they can complain to the bureau du travail, file a case in court, change job, go to private sector and see if they really get the salary they deserve.
Because Yashna, in the private sector, it is minorities who are in charge, banne blanc, ther’s no racism or corruption there, you are employed upon what you are worth for.. if some think they deserve better, they could take their luck in the private sector.
Advisors, again a false perception, advisors LONG AGO, have been ti-copains.. But now? who were the advisors of berenger ? or even of Ramgoolam who is more reknown, joel de rosnay, you should see that man’s CV!!! The advisors of the ministers are nowadays people with phds and many of them work in the private sector and advisor part time.
Give the reputation of a country a boost is 1 fing, HELP the country is another one.
Do you honestly think that the mauritian Nobel prize winner gave a boost to Mauritius ?? Lolz !! in 1 year, everyone would have forgotten it.
The Real boost someone can do is by achieving something that benefits the people of mauritius. Reputation of a country can be ruined overnight like what you pointed out.. a bad performance in the corruption index 😉
cheeerzz..
do reply to me wen u pass by..
P.S : Congrats yashvin 🙂 all the best and bonne continuation 🙂
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@Yashna: you’re completely right dude
@Ashfaq: Dude! Have you been living under a rock or what?
What fucking lab are you talking about? huh? Listen dude, UoM’s level is very very poor… and 40 millions??!
HAHAHAHA!!! etaaaa couyon!
Here at my univ we have a pulsed laser holography lab that cost 600 million dollars (to koner kombien zeros ena dans millions?)
We have 12 electron microscopes; we have a large array of 120 supercomputers at our computer science laboratories — infact even the meteorological centre for Ontario uses that facility
et to p koze 40 millions *roupies*??
Go research properly, never has any UoM student been good at current high tech. Nor will UoM ever be. I’m not putting the students at UoM down, I’ve been one too. but what i mean to say is that dont get your dreams too high.
I think you dont know much about technology… again go research properly.
You can only make toys in those labs at UoM
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@ReenaDKL – We are lucky, “SOME” mauritians do not have their eyes where they should be. Else, we would have turned from a colonized country, to one of those democratic republic of africa.
We are lucky those small some, starting from jugnauth seen 30 years ago, the importance of 2-way highway from plaisance to port louis,
we are lucky today, ramgoolam pere ( gave education gratis ) else many of you would have still been in caro cane,
we are lucky today, ramgoolam fils seen the need of the EPZ and AGOA,..on his first mandate,..
We are lucky today, jugnauth jr, seen that the island needed to go duty free, such that we can be compared to dubai and be as competitive as them.
We are lucky today, berenger, devised the cybercity which is now what it is.. and with its continual expansion, how huge it will become, the future shall tell us, but with the New complex to be built there with 2000 hotel room, it is a huge prospect for jobs in that sector.
We are lucky today, Ramgoolam N., concluded agreements with USA for the txtile sector, for the tianli project and for the INTERNET african-mauritian connection.
For all that, we are lucky to have had capable persons at the post of prime minister. All those persons were capable, and surely they are at their last mandate. As i said, in 4 years, we will see a new look mauritius, also i forgot, the renovated airport !!
For a country of only 1.2 millions, if that’s not an achievement in itself ?
We are an african country but we have political stability, one of the only countries in africa..
The change in the election system should be reviewed for a better one. But, in 40 yrs, or even in 10 years, that’s the furthest i can remember, such a small island, with limited resources could go soo far !!! ..
Scholarships are already offered abroad, the students of the Mauritian HSC or even SC, are the best in the WORLD!!! A student in SC, 2 years ago, was ranked in the top best in the world, and this year his gf was top of the World !! ..
@all those wanting scholarships.. might be you did not deserve yours.
Because, the persons who really merit the scholarships won’t need the state scholarships, the Universities abroad are already sending them requests to join in .
A Bon entendeur, Salut !!
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@kunal – i referred to the sole cad/cam lab for the rs40millions if you do not know the cad/cam lab, shows that you have not been familiar with the labs of the UoM, thus do not comment on stuffs you do not know.
Laser holography !! $600millions – by that simple figure, shows how much you have been taken for a stupid by those who told you that. $1000millions is what costed the world economic crisis to the USA, and they had to take the consent of the senate and congress to get the money, same for the health scheme that Obama wants to promote. To parette bien couyon si to penser 1 machine laser holography can be $600millions, laser is simply light and light is cheaper, holography is also a cheap technology, with limited use of energy, which is why it is being promoted.
Microsoft has put up a concept of keyboard and screen under research using laser holography which would be available to the stupid citizen that you are seemingly. The forecasted price tag was $5000.
Electron microscopy equipments are also available at the UoM..shall you not know it !!!
120 supercomputers of which era ? you should state which year they were built, because with the rapid technology rise since the last 10 years, the supercomputers of 10 years back are what you can get as a simple desktop computer today at rs14000 cotte Cash n Carry ..
Your words simply proved how stupid you are.. Specially your facts. However, kav dimoune ine pran twa pou kuyon ek tone croire tou saki ine raconte twa.
to pa en tord.
Cheeerzz..
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At Ashfaq:
Wowyou were definitely living under a rock! turd…
Go and ask yashvin about the holograms I made. You dumbass, i’ve been representing the dept of optics at the national science exposition of canada… wtf r u talking about??!
When google interviewed me for a summer job, they did believe me and Google >>>>>>>>>> u
so stfu noob
I even sent him videos of the holograms I made…
u seriously have a problem lolll
I think you should get a girlfriend.
Meanwhile Yashvin will be happy tot ell you more about him so go ask him and leave this thread alone
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@kunal – i would be interested if you would also comment on my other points instead of branding around that you made an hologram and were interviewed by google, who cares ??
Your use of the word stupid, dumbass and other expressions like get a girlfriend, shows your exposure to social life.
You should be damn alone in your life, probably despite having a wife .. in case you could a get one! Else, you would be someone who would be gasping at your own achievements as the greatest achievements that human came across.
Google interviewed u, you got the job ? for any jobs, there are 1000s of applicants, specially for soft-techs .. from india!!
So, as a whole, your reply was the most pointless i have ever come across. It would be interesting for the readers of these comments to know your answer on the $600millions equipments..
Do comment back when you are back to your senses 😉
Cheerz..
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@ Ashfaq,
Well Kunal is definotely right you have been living under a rock, and a big one at that!
Rs40 million is peanuts for a state of the art lab, here they invest in millions of dollars for each lab, the university is building a new Chemical Engineering lab for $140 million,
Do you seriously think university rankings are bogus?? And that UoM can compare to a university ranked fourth worldwide??
Im not saying that UoM is bad, but some universities are simply better.
And I don’t know what level of maturity I’m showing but you are surely showing your lack of knowledge of other countries,
‘Mauritius can now compare to Dubai”???? I was in Dubai 3 weeks ago
for a transit to the U.S and I visited it 8 years ago. Mauritius does not even equal to what it was when I first visited it. And don’t make me laugh with that piece on the airport and new look.
We’ll both be around in 4 years’ time, we’ll see if Mauritius is a developed country or not!
And if you think the country is well on the way to progress, take a look at all the incompetent people in STC, Air Mauritius and CNT who are making you pay for their mistakes. Rosnay is only 1 adviser, there are many others who are ‘ti-copains'(again living under a rock) and at any rate, the PM does not listen to Rosnay, who has warned him off the gamma-civic project!!
Oh, and that lunch was not a buffet with VIPs reception, Rs10000 is what Bheenick claimed per day for his personal lunches!
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I did not have time to answer all your points as I was going to class, so Im going to do it now.
I said entertainment allowances, and you should know that it amounts to almost Rs20000 per month for some people, and till now I don’t have a concrete example of how that has helped the country progress. Do you read the audit reports, did you see from the last one how many millions are wasted each year by the government and no one pays attention to it?
And in my viewpoint, voting for someone who is of the same religion as you just because of this factor is religious bigotry. The country has progressed a lot but we still have lots more to achieve to be comparable to any of the world’s great nations.
And you show your immaturity by telling me that mentalities will change by themselves. It’s been 40 years and they haven’t changed. Why? Because here people don’t listen if you say something different. How much progress has been made to stop AIDS inspite of the many efforts of PILS?
And as for the reason for getting an outside scholarship, the university of Mauritius is already free, there won’t be enough incentive for people to strive to get it. It certainly wouldn’t for me. If I had to learn just to get 5As, I would not have made that extra effort, would not have sacrificed so much of my leisure time.
Maybe it wasn’t for you but for thousands of students, these scholarships were the reason they learnt so much. It’s the reason why so many students are ranked among the top of the world. This year, 3 came first and they were all ranked or laureates. Ask yourself why Mauritius, which is a tiny island, places its citizens in the top of the world, in the world’s most prestigious universities. It’s because of the motivation the scholarships offer, and giving local scholarships just won’t have the same effect.
And yeah, about salaries, if people less qualified and less experienced than you get much better salaries then I would say that you’re not getting the salary you deserve. In the U.S, the best paying jobs are in the scientific field, not the case in Mauritius.
And that last blooper ‘laser is light and is cheap’, wow, are you sure you’ve done science??
You are confusing optical fibers with lasers. Here they use immensely complicated equipment with miniature, extremely powerful lasers to examine certain properties of the atom such as energy levels and these lasers cost a lot! And it’s private funds, so you don’t need to concern yourself with Obama and the senate approving it.
And outside scholarships, there are absolutely no universities in U.K and U.S who give international students scholarships for medical studies. And it’s about 1,5 million rupees per year, so these people need the money!
I hope I answered most of your points but if you want clarification, just ask!
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At Ashfaq:
If you can read english, please read this:
http://www.news.utoronto.ca/campus-news/u-of-t-to-acquire-canadas-most-powerful-supercomputer-from-ibm.html
Thats another array of 4000 servers bought last year…
Yashna commented on the laser thing too, see? I wasnt bullshitting… she is right. You said laser light is simply light and light is cheap??! WTF are you talking about? Do you even know what a laser is? Its not the one on your keychain… You are a serious moron lol…
Do you even know what a hologram is? You said:
“Microsoft has put up a concept of keyboard and screen under research using laser holography”
WTF r u talking about? Eat a knife dude…
you were living 2 feet under a rock man… seriously, theres something called internet, go do some research… If you think that is the most expensive equipment in the world, then you’re still wrong… We even have multi billion $$$ facilities that recreates the internal of a star, WTF r u talking about?
Well people, besides spamming your inbox, my message is:
Theres a lot in this world to give the students of UoM but instead of giving them the opportunities, that stupid country is building massive call centres… (cyber-fes citi), info-fes 2009, and all those useless events where millions of mauritian tax payers’ hard owned money go wasted.
That money should be invested into UoM to make it a better place, those investemnts should be directed to new facilities, technologies etc FOR YOU GUYS!
There is a lot of technology out there, and that should be available to YOU mauritians. I’m lucky to be in the most powerful univ in Canada, here I have learned a lot. I wish the opportunities that were given to me here was available to all you guys — if it exists here, it can definitely exist in mauritius! Its a shame that the country’s money is going into the drain.
You guys pay a lot of tax money and that money MUST be directed towards a better education. People like Ashfaq make you think that UoM is the best whatever bullshit… the straight answer is: NO!
And pullleeeaaazzzeeee dont read Ashfaq’s comments, he’s full of it. It will be then, that sending laureats outside the country wont make a difference. It will be then that the country will be better.
(And BTW Ashfaq, I do have a very hot girlfriend, ask Yashvin for the photo…)
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Wow This blog is really long. I didn’t have the courage to read everything. Here’s my two cent.
First of all Yashna congratulations on being a laureate and on being at a very prestigious university in the US. I am just wondering, since the Government does not fund studies to the US you must have obtained a scholarship from your university. What happens to the money, does it go to the next in line. I hope it does. In any case don’t let the glitter get into your eyes girl. You have a long way to go and I am sure you will be very successful, having secured a seat at a university ranked “fourth worldwide” is no joke (I wonder which ranking though as there are so many out there).
Kunal – “120 supercomputers” are you sure. You mean a supercomputer with 120 CPUs maybe, or 120 frames or nodes. What’s its name? Is it SciNet you are talking about. That’s a cool one. Way up there in the ‘Top 500’ I can see. Thanks Google 🙂 What do you use it for. Normally these machines are bought by a consortium and they are housed on a university campus. If the meteorological services in Ontario is using it is because they pitched in and have nodes reserved for their exclusive use perhaps.
The debate here is mostly between the University of Mauritius (UoM) and the other big research powerhouses around the world. Trust me those who did not get the chance *yet* to study in one of those powerhouses, the education that you are getting at UoM is a very good one, comparable to what you will get in those big institutions. In some cases it may even be better. You didn’t have to take a course with 250 students. At times it seems classes are conducted not by the professors, but by graduate students working as teaching assistants. These people don’t have the knowledge a professor would have.
The big difference between our UoM and these research monsters is resources and money. UoM simply does not have the money to provide what these big universities can. And the reason the latter can is because they have a large endowments, have a generous alumni, get research funding and because they charge for tuition. If you didn’t get a scholarship you have to pay to get into these universities. And it is very very costly. Even the lower ranked universities in the UK or US is way out of the reach of the simple Mauritian. Tertiary education cost money, a lot of money. It will take a lot of money to make UoM a research university. Singapore has been able to do it, I hope we too will be there. It will demand a political will. A lot of money needs to be pumped into the university. The library for one needs to be upgraded. And for that money is required, and it can only come when we as students are willing to pay for the education. Are we?
As for the laureates. I know it can be hard to leave the lavish lifestyle in the US, UK, or Australia. But please do come back to take our country to the next level. If you are not coming back, please don’t criticize those who were not as lucky as you were, cause they are doing what they can. And when you read about Mauritius in Economist e.g. and it brings a big smile on your face and you are jumping around showing your US friends where you come from (because they probably haven’t met a Mauritian before meeting you) know that it is thanks to those who stayed behind.
Glory to the…
Beloved country may God bless thee, for ever and ever.
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@ yashna – are you intelligent or are you finally just a record and play machine ?? “..‘Mauritius can now compare to Dubaiâ€???? I was in Dubai 3 weeks ago..” what the heck do u understand when i said jugnauth removed Duty such as we can b compared to Dubai ?? you are stupid or wat ? i was referring to the fact that Mauritius became duty free island same like dubai is a duty free paradise.
rs10000 for lunches , if that’s wat it takes to have someone competent at the head of BOM .. u can understand sooo easily about $600millions for equipment purchasing .. but u cannot understand that some people need to eat rs10,000 lunches ?? what kind of stupid r u ??
The actual government wasted millions, right.. but it brought rs25billions .. we are still benefiting from it , aint we ??
“..voting for someone who is of the same religion as you just because of this factor is religious bigotry” I never said that, U WERE TALKING ABOUT RACISM, i said there is nothing wrong to vote for someone of the same religion as u. I didn’t say it is the only factor to consider, that’s U who said it.
“The country has progressed a lot but we still have lots more to achieve to be comparable to any of the world’s great nations. ”
I had many discussions about that on many forums n websites, about people who think that USA is actually THE model of civilisation, that’s in UR mind, u find it’s the ideal Model of civilization and we should compare to them. Why don’t we compare to Dubai ?? The Economic crisis affected which country MAINLY, USA!!.. Their model is flawed. arab system based on risk sharing, is for me the ideal model..
FOR YOUR KIND INFO, MAURITIUS IS RANKED 1st in AFRICA AS THE MOST WELL GOVERNED COUNTRY
“And you show your immaturity by telling me that mentalities will change by themselves. It’s been 40 years and they haven’t changed.” – mentality haven’t changed ?? .. you should be blind to say that.. If mentality didn’t change, you think, ARC EN CIEL would be able to walk and parade at Rosehill ?? u think girls would be more than boys at UoM, in colleges or schools ?? You should change ur specs..
PILS ?? Increase in AIDS !! .. who told you the prevention is not effective ?? or might be it is the number of persons coming to be scanned who have increased because now they are less stigmatized. you look too much at the empty half of the glass, see he half full too..
“..the university of Mauritius is already free,..” don’t spit in your on plate.. you are not soo rich that you needed scholarship yourself to study where you are, some parents get rs3000/month and they have to pay rs15000 for their kids to go to university, SO STOP YOUR BULLSHIT, all what you said, even ur foul words, i didn’t pay attention, but when people become arrogant and forgets the poor, u better remove ur words..
“..places its citizens in the top of the world, in the world’s most prestigious universities..”, is that the achievement of a lifetime ?????? being ranked top of the world ?? This is just bragging around.. and doing that you are just proving how STUPID you are because in the end, what the HSC made you is a perfect recording machine with NO LOGIC and eventually NO HUMANITY, as your words proved it on the fees of UoM which in YOUR WORDS is FREE..
“..In the U.S, the best paying jobs are in the scientific field, not the case in Mauritius..” This is a MERE analysis, if you cannot reach a conclusion, means you are not mature enuf, Mauritius has NO R&D, simply because of our restrained 1million persons market, which means all we do is BUY and maintain and eventual SELL sometimes, we do not CREATE or rarely. That’s WHY SCIENCE is not such a big field here.
Light is the Cheapest, EXACTLY, light can be repeated with the same accuracy over and over again, it does not get corroded nor rusted nor worn out. So, YES, it is the cheapest.
LASERS- one of those words i liked telling my friends about in CPE – was the time i learned all acronyms by heart.. stands for Light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation… laser is Just That. Nothing more. and from that you use wavelengths and interferometry and find new applications. I OBVIOUSLY did not talk about optical fibers.
NOW ITS PRIVATE FUNDS – THE UOM USE EQUIPMENTS TO TEACH – MILLIONS OF RUPEES IN EQUIPMENT TO TEACH – WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, ARE EQUIPMENTS FROM RESEARCH – WHICH ARE MADE FROM MONEY GIVEN FOR RESEARCH .. not for students to play around with equipments and making experiments. UoM is a university to teach and make graduates not to make research for the private sector. like they do in USA. earning side money.
At your last point, why should the student only consider UK and USA ??
I refuted all your points 1 by 1. BTW, you said if i need any clarifications to let you know.Why the hell would i ASK U for clarifications ?? because u were laureate you fink you hold the answers to all questions ?? Then you are the most stupid of all, The one who thinks he knows everything, know nothing.. it’s a quote
Cheerz imbecile..
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@ kunal – Firstly u stated 120 Supercomputers and now in ur article it is 1 supercomputer .. whether it is the 2nd fastest is not in consideration since 1 remains 1, not 120 !!!
your light stuff i replied it already to the reply to yashna.
Your View about cybercity is flawed, cybercity is not callcentrecity.. It is outsourcing facility which comprises accountancy. Accounts earn rs50-80000 instead of rs12000 there..so, for Mauritius it is a bit leap forward..knowing the basic salary starts at rs3000.
“There is a lot of technology out there, and that should be available to YOU mauritians..”- what would be the use of a silicon valley in Mauritius ?? Technology is one thing, USEFUL of technology is another one. What is the use to have more technology if you do not have the use for it. Then it is Useless. Useless = Wasted Money.
Mauritius do not need those facilities because we do not for instance need to investigate stars, space, or do research on sounds, vision.. because the main usage of all those technologies are mainly for military usage in the First place. It is only much later that those technologies will be of any use to us. I thought someone who is giving such a brilliant image of himself as being a researcher as some BIGGEST univ in canada would have come to such a basic conclusion earlier.
I encourage Everyone to read kunal’s comments 🙂 they are full of himself !! lolzz..
I have a HOT gf too.. your definition of beauty is proper to urself only, what you find HOT might be ugly for me.. 😉 cheerzz.. im glad for you tho..
To finish, a little phrase in creole “pou sak dipain rassi ena so fromaz gater” Lolzz..
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@my2cents – “know that it is thanks to those who stayed behind.”
Gooosshh .. that one phrase is something.. while reading the paragraph, i knew where you were getting to.. lolz.. 🙂 Really nice one ..
You summed all what i wanted to say in 1 phrase 🙂
*applause*
Goodnite and all the best my2cents 😉
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@ my2cents,
Actually the government does fund studies to the U.S, it was when we hadn’t yet become a republic that laureates had to go either to UK or Australia. Now it doesnt matter which country you go to study and there have been at least 2 laureates before me who have gone to the U.S,
I was talking about U.S news ranking but Caltech is usually ranked among the top 5 for engineering and science.
http://www.universityportal.net/2007/09/world-university-ranking-of-engineering.html
I was cloud nine on reaching here but after 1 week of classes, I have started to realise that yeah I still have lots to achieve and do.
By the way, Caltech has a ratio of 7 students per teacher( it has a small undergraduate population).
But what I had actually wanted to post about is the laureateship system and why it should not be abolished. I know that UoM has a high standard for engineering and science( many of my school friends are going there), but the fact is that its technology, opportunities and facilities are limited. By lack of funds and political will. Giving students the opportunity to study in an expensive reputed foreign university they would not be able to afford otherwise, is an immense motivating factor.
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Wow, some people sure are dense!!!
I wasn’t sure if I should actually reply to such nonsense but yeah I’ll give it a try,
You said quote’such that we can be compared to dubai and be as competitive as them.’endquote
I don’t know what people who understand english should derive from it apart from what you mean!!
It’s been 5 years and we are still nowhere as competitive as Dubai.
You actually think it’s better for one person and im precising ONE person to claim Rs10000 of taxpayers’ money for lunch rather than spend on research equipment, it’s probably because of such thoughts that UoM doesnt get high class equipment, but I’ll just let the readers make their own conclusions. And yeah, i admit it, i am so stupid that i really can’t understand why a person needs to eat for Rs10000 per day on money my parents are contributing for, but I really can understand why we need money for scientific equipment!!
Do you read anywhere that I said the US economic model is THE model to follow?? I don’t have that viewpoint, I certainly wont write about it!! I mentioned quote ‘the world’s great nations’, you immediately thought USA, so who’s biased??
And yeah I do know Mauritius is one of the best governed nations is Africa, I mentioned it to my US friends but being the best in the African continent doesn’t mean we can claim to be the best in the world, to have the best university, and that everything’s fine and rosy.
I have not been ranked top of the world, so I was not talking about myself but my friends, and I’m sure it’s so easy a feat that you achieved it, right??
I didn’t say AIDS was increasing, I asked how much progress had been made in efforts to stop it? People don’t want those who are trying to stop drugs to get methadone doses in the hospital near them. Even the Minister of Human Rights does not attend the arc-en-ciel march, Sex-education in schools is taboo, and i can still go on! Mentalities are changing indeed.
I said that a scholarship to UoM would not be a motivating factor and for most of the students it would not be so. I know some people don’t have enough funds to cover it but most people who have the necessary qualifications do have it and it is these people who will be getting the UoM scholarships in Bunwaree’s new plan!
You’r right, we do not create, that’s why people qualified to create, who want to do something valuable in the scientific world, leave the country. And by the way, what are you doing in those RS40 million labs of yours?
It seems your knowledge of lasers is limited to what you knew in CPE, that is, its acronym, the lasers they have here are quite expensive, I don’t know which kind, if any, you’ve seen in mauritius, maybe kunal’s right, it’s the one in your keychain. The one I’ve seen is used to keep a proton in motion to experiment on gravity.
You did not seem to believe that so much money could be invested in research, from your previous post on kunal’s supercomputers, you said that the U.S government had lost trillions of dollars, etc, so I was making sure you knew that the university receives private donations and can afford really expensive technology.
How many people graduating from UoM donate to it?
Because these two countries are the reference for medical studies, the best programs are found there.
And I asked you if you wanted clarification on MY points, because I had written them and if I hadnt expressed myself correctly, I would have clarified what I said for you, as it’s obvious that I will know best what I meant!!
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@Yashna – are you making it a point not to understand ??
“It’s been 5 years and we are still nowhere as competitive as Dubai..” Dubai has been duty free for twenty years and didn’t build itself in 5 years.. The idea was to make Mauritius duty free island and it is now and that will take at least 20 years before we can start yielding. You cannot put up laws and overnight ask for benefits.
“Rs10000 of taxpayers’ money for lunch rather than spend on research equipment”- I never made that parallel.. But WONDERING what kind of equipments could be bought with rs10000 – rs300000.. !! lolzz..
okay fine requoting ur quote “I mentioned quote ‘the world’s great nations” World’s greatest nations are who – the G7-G8 G20 ?? all of that have the same economic model. And Arab countries are not part of that.
“Minister of Human Rights does not attend the arc-en-ciel march”.. This is pure politics.. The minister does not attend it, for the same reason he attends the religious festivals.. Because of fear of losing votes. That’s it.
“Sex-education in schools is taboo”- it is not taboo !! or mite be, it was at YOUR SCHOOL. At mine, ther was Mr Soobramanyen who gave us a lengthy lecture on sex education, not to forget the really nice show by some ONG. I was in for 2 at the time and it is already more than a decade ago. So, NO IT IS NOT TABOO.
“I said that a scholarship to UoM would not be a motivating factor and for most of the students it would not be so” .. it depends..
Who could pretend to a scholarship before ?? i am talking about the state scholarship.. Now as you said rs1.5million/year is what cost 1 laureate, rs20000/ year is the fees at UoM.. let’s say for a scholarship, the government can give rs150000 to each student to study at UoM.. course + stipend… Now, you can send 10 students there.. Thus instead of 30 scholarships, the government can give 450 scholarships to UoM.. If that’s not FAIR and a good idea.. within U.. Sounds you got a hypocrite nature and don’t like to share. Sharing is THE MOST BASIC principle that should be taught to children at school.
EVENTUALLY, LAUREATES LEARN TO KEEP EVERYTHING TO THEMSELVES AND NOT HELPING OTHERS BECAUSE IF YOU HELP SOMEONE ELSE, THEY MIGHT GET BETTER POINTS THAN U, SO DONT HELP..
“You’r right, we do not create, that’s why people qualified to create, who want to do something valuable in the scientific world, leave the country…”- We do not create on an industrial basis, but Mauritius is as we say in creole “soleil leve pou tou dimounes”, for those who strive and want to do something, Mauritius can be a PARADISE for them, there is soo much to be created.
Heard about Aminah gurib and mohee .. the 2 lecturers of UoM in the top 10 africans..
“And by the way, what are you doing in those RS40 million labs of yours?..” – The lab as i said is one of the labs i have used a lot, but there are other labs which cost even twice that amount.
The lab consists of machines whereby you can design and make programs and there are robots in there, they make the object for you. You have to learn to use those robots and program them to manufacture stuffs.
Those are robots used in high tech companies, where high accuracy are needed, specially for production of aircraft spare parts, satellite, equipments require high degree of accuracy and space crafts. mainly.
“It seems your knowledge of lasers is limited to what you knew in CPE ” – I wonder if people doing experiments on emission spectroscopy and interferometry are limited to what they knew in CPE..
“you said that the U.S government had lost trillions of dollars, etc,”.. Yes, i said it, but as far as research is concerned. We were kind of comparing the US unis with Mauritian Ones in terms of INFRASTRUCTURE given to STUDENTS so that they LEARN and can USE the knowledge at WORK. So, the UoM is not a private funded University, because it’s aim is to promote knowledge and not to work for the private sector or do research for them. The Unis in US, are sometimes made only for that, for researchs.
Here, it is a different kind of university which still has StATE OF the ARt technologies that students can USE and apply that in state of the Art industries.
“…And yeah I do know Mauritius is one of the best governed nations is Africa, I mentioned it to my US friends[…] everything’s fine and rosy.”
You see, you mentioned it to your US friend.. haha.. being proud of something you will never be part of. How SAD !! .. you who criticize the way those who stay behind acquire knowledge and the facilities we are given to do so.. and you FEEL proud when those same persons bring the country forward.. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO BEING PROUD.. Because you have betrayed your country already. The country who nourished you with FREE education. And will you ever repay back ??? will you ever come back to repay Mauritius for what it made you ???
Every country aspires to be TOP OF the World. But, for a population of 1million persons out of 6 billions on this EARTH.. if we were at the 100th place, we would also be glad..But what we are achieving with the “limited facilites of UoM as U put it” is simply Enormous, just thinking about that should make you tremble.. Despite the many facilities given to U in the USA.. What are achieving ?? Will that be of any use to the Republic of Mauritius, to the children in the slums of roche bois and cite la cure ? will that be of any use to the economic situation of mauritius , will that promote mauritius on the world market ? because in the end, all what you are doing will promote only the university, city, country where U live and whose facilities you are using to achieve it.
“..Because these two countries are the reference for medical studies, the best programs are found there..”- I won’t tend to think, it is Japan or India who have the best programs but again that is My point of view, same like it is your point of view or the point of view of some magazines that those 2 countries are the reference for medical studies.
Also, do reply me those questions..
The actual government wasted millions, right.. but it brought rs25billions .. we are still benefiting from it , aint we ??
If mentality didn’t change, you think, ARC EN CIEL would be able to walk and parade at Rosehill ?? u think girls would be more than boys at UoM, in colleges or schools ??
“..places its citizens in the top of the world, in the world’s most prestigious universities..â€, is that the achievement of a lifetime ?????? being ranked top of the world ?? Btw Laureate does not mean top of the World, it is just Top of the countries taking part to the stupid HSC exams which does not evaluate COMPLETELY a student and its many FLAWS.. but i am not here to talk about that..
Think this is going to be my Before Last reply.. @yashna 😉 cheeerz. I reserve myself the right to reply to any further attachks.. lolz
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@ashfaq :
Think this is going to be my Before Last reply
Yeah, lol, I think its high time each of us say their last words on this post 😛
Becoming a bit too long, isnt it?
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Stop making that poor and rich distinction.. this is like heading a politician talk :s.
This difference shouldn’t exist if you get everyone on the same starting line.
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Ashfaq, at least read before making stupid comments, I have already answered your last two points but I’ll quote my own post so that you finally see it:
Even if it is a flawed system and only involves countries like Singapore and England, surely you could easily have done it since you think it’s so easy.
And it’s Rs10000 per day, so assuming he works 5 days a week, Rs50000 per week, Rs200000 per month, you do know how to calculate right? And then per year, make your own conclusions, and I was not originally talking about research, it could at least be used to send needy students to UoM right???
And stop contradicting yourself!! You said
So what are you creating in your labs?? Oh yeah, aircraft parts, that will help the people living in slums, of course it will.
The ministry of education recently removed questions relating to sex-education in a survey by an NGO, that shows great proof of forward thinking!!
About sharing, what difference do you think it actually makes to me if the laureateship system is maintained or not? I have already gotten my money, I could just let things go by without taking a stand. Who’s going to lose if the system of state scholarships is removed?
These students who really don’t have the means to study in excellent foreign universities. And it seems you have absolutely no idea what private funds mean! It’s not the same thing as private sector, you know.
Alumni who have obtained money fund the university and they do do in millions of dollars, most of the buildings and infrastructure here have been made with their help, and before you make another stupid comment, each of these buildings bear the name of the donator.
And why don’t you answer my question, HOW MANY UoM ALUMNI DONATE TO IT?
And I said that the government has the means to fund both the current and the UoM scholarships and you still have not refuted( coherently) that UoM scholarships will not give students the same motivation as the state ones.
And you sure are stupid, I never even G8, but it’s the first thing that came to your mind when you heard great nations, For me great nations are the asian ones. And jusr look at the rankings in ANY ranking agency for medical schools.
Also, who the hell do you think you are?? You have absolutely no right to claim that I don’t have the right to feel proud of my country, and even less the right to make the immensely arrogant implication that it is due to you that it is great. Or even to UoM, the governor of BoM you defend so much went to Oxford, the PM, minister of finance, etc all went to foreign universities.
I have not done anything yet to help my country, but then neither have you. And you are in Mauritius. You are still so limited in your knowledge of things you can’t even bring yourself to think of the world as one. In the scientific world, it makes no difference which country you came from, what matters is helping science and PEOPLE. When people developed cures for diseases in a country, do you think it’s only that country which benefits?
You are so anti-patriotic you even said a Mauritian Nobel Prize winner would make no difference. I believe that when you hear about Mauritian success stories in other countries, you still don’t feel proud.
What you actaully feel is JEALOUSY, jealousy you didnt go to a foreign university and you resent those who have had that opportunity. Jealousy you are in Mauritius, earning half of what your counterparts in other countries do.
You know what, it is going abroad which makes you truly realise how insignificant you are. You think that I believe I know everything because Im a laureate?
Here this makes absolutely no difference, Im with 260 other students who are all brillant, who have all gotten scholarships of some form. They know as much and in many cases more than me.
I know that I still have loads to do before I actually manage to do something that will help science, but at least Im not pretending that it because of me the country’s progressing, like you are!!
And you asked what I was achieving in the U.S, well, till now nothing and it’s only been 2 weeks since I’ve arrived, but hey, what have you achieved in Mauritius?
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Kugs said:
“Everyone against them are a bunch of jealous ppl who would have done the same thing…Zour la guerre civile eclater dans sa pays la par malchance, mo gueter kot zot patriotisme pou grimper>>>
Hypocrites!!! Tous que vous etes a etre des soi disant patriote…”
Kugs,what a load of rational arguments you’ve presented for us to believe that the state scholarship system in Mauritius is the best system in the world. Your choice of words speak loud about your level of intelligence. You are talking about patriotism but the greatest hypocrites are the laureates who take Mauritians’ money for granted and take it from their own people who are comparatively poor to develop rich countries. Yes, maybe most would have done the same but then we must change this thing for noone to be able to do it. Let’s use this money to improve the UoM so that people don’t keep on complaining on it. Call us jealous, but when we are being stolen, then the laureates are criminals for stealing poor Mauritian taxpayers. They should just be glad for having benefited from a poorly-thought mechanism. Oh well
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I don’t know how many of how have read week-end’s interview of Armoogum Parsuramen, who has been minister of education for 13 years and who is now director of UNESCO’s office in New Delhi after having worked for UNESCO for many years, here’s what he says about abolishing the laureate system
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There goes my last comment 🙂
@yashna – “surely you could easily have done it since you think it’s so easy.” Might be, we would never know since at the time i had other priorities (That’s kind of private and i don’t find it necessary to talk about it here).
“at least be used to send needy students to UoM right”- I think the ministry of education and the ministry of finance are two distinct bodies which have their own budgets. The ministry of education should be able to do with the budget he is allocated. Reducing here and there and increasing here and there.. if you understand to what i am making allusions 😛 haha lolz ..
“So what are you creating in your labs?? Oh yeah, aircraft parts, that will help the people living in slums, of course it will.”
oh little girl, i didn’t contradict myself, i stipulated that i was talking only about 1 lab, which i used for 3 modules, i have done around 28-30 modules if i am not mistaken, yearly and semester modules, that part of design and manipulating robots is only a small part. The Engineering field i am into is about making factories more productive, competitive and eventually help them to produce more and spend less and reduce waste, sometimes with the use of computer integrated manufacturing systems and/ or by other means. Waste problem is already a big one in Mauritius, and so is high price of products people use on a daily basis. Thus, making those products at a cheaper price, will lighten the monthly budgets of all households in mauritius !! if that’s not working for Mauritians!!! lolzz..
“The ministry of education recently removed questions [..] proof of forward thinking” – I am not here to criticize but to bring solutions.. and eventually to comment on what good stuffs were made and how we could build on that for the future.
“I have already gotten my money, I could just let things go by without taking a stand. ” – Gotten YOUR money, interesting, your way of thinking. 🙂 it is always good to get stands. Liberty of expression.
“And it seems you have absolutely no idea what private funds mean! It’s not the same thing as private sector, you know.” – Following the rule of 80-20 lolz !! i analysed that individuals contribution account to only 20% compared to company donations which account for 60% and 20% respectively for big and medium companies. So, as a sum of those, i would tend to take the private sector as the main contributor, thus, you will agree, the private funds can be assimilated as private sector given funds.
“Alumni who have obtained money fund the university and they do do in millions of dollars..” – It would be interesting to see if you fund anything when you start working For Mauritius, since you got money from Mauritius. 🙂 cheeerzz !! lolzz , a good idea would be to fund the UoM.. hihihihi
“HOW MANY UoM ALUMNI DONATE TO IT?” – One UoM alumni could be yash.. ?? lolzz.. would be interesting to know how much he donated 🙂 .. just joking.. UoM alumnis are not as rich as ther US counterparts who are paid millions. Furthermore, One interesting Point to Note, The Universities in US (on a gross majority)are not built by the Government completely, which is the case for UoM,.. however, Mauritius is nowhere comparable to US, but more comparable to arab countries or some countries in africa which have petrol, since our national resource has been for a long time sugar cane, the profit of which was “en parti” distributed to the population in terms of education gratuite, whereby the University of Mauritius is part of that plan to education.
“..went to Oxford, the PM, minister of finance, etc all went to foreign universities..” –
1. They returned back
2. At the time, Mauritius did not offer facilities to learn economics at Tertiary level here, or medecine, ..
3. Nowadays, all facilities are offered in Mauritius, thus no reasons for going abroad.
“In the scientific world, it makes no difference which country you came from, what matters is helping science and PEOPLE..” Which is probably why, the africans still can’t benefit from simple diarrhea pills whereby more than 1million people died in africa last year because of diarrhea. Your science is for the RICH
“You are so anti-patriotic you even said a Mauritian Nobel Prize winner would make no difference.” – It is a fact, not an appraisal from me, the Nobel prize made NO DIFFERENCE to Mauritians.
“jealousy you didnt go to a foreign university..”- Might be i did not, but i was still accepted to the University of Cape town, Dalhousie University and La Trobe University.
“Jealousy you are in Mauritius, earning half of what your counterparts in other countries do..” – for those with a degree, and a job, whatever we earn here is sufficient for us to live. I am not of the extravagant kind 😉 Making money wouldn’t be of much use to me 😛 lolzz.. Why do we need much money when we will leave all that soon..Most Scientists have little or no faith, since they need proofs to understand ,eventually the only stuff they have faith in is money !! lolz.. they think they will bring their money into their tombs, some do !! lolz..
“You know what, it is going abroad which makes you truly realize how insignificant you are. ” Euta, that’s soo sad, you realized how insignificant you are when you went abroad, prolly you wouldn’t have wanted to realize that!! lolzz.. hahahaha.. Oh girl, you know my faith everyday reminds me how insignificant i am, i don’t need to go univ abroad to know that. I am just a dust in this world and the earth is a dust in the galaxy and so is the galaxy a dust in the space. 🙂 Religion can make you realize stuffs where science is still on page 1. introduction part !! lolz..
“You think that I believe I know everything because Im a laureate?” – i think so, because that’s the image you give of urself 🙂
“but at least Im not pretending that it because of me the country’s progressing, like you are!!” – Hey, i am not pretending !! lolz.. hahahahaha.. i just said it’s coz of the mauritians who came back or didn’t leave !! 😛 U moron 😛
“but hey, what have you achieved in Mauritius?” – I am learning to run 🙂 hihihihi lolzz ..
Was a nice time to discuss with you 🙂 though you are vulgar. lolzz..
Btw.. i wrote of something that might be of some interest to you 😛 Miss HSC laureate 😛 lolzz..Check it out 😛 http://ashfaqblog.blogspot.com/2009/02/hsc-results-2008-2009-hsc-hypocrisy.html
@yashvin
P.S : Je tire ma reverence !! lolzz.. hahahha .. my final wordss.. bonne continuation again for your blog 😉
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& here’s my last comment:
Ashfaq, i think you’ve been living in your mom’s basement under a rock for a long time..
Please consider Yashna’s comments. You seriously dont know the world. I used to think like u and make all kinds of excuses and compare the differences between mauritius and the outer world.
But when i left that shit hole, i found out how much better the outerworld is. And i wish these same opportunities were offered to all mauritian — a bettter education system at the least.
You are behaving like a 5 year old… Every scientist wants the world to be a better place, everyone works hard to build the future. You dont see that because mauritus is such a small shithole nobody gives a fuck for that ountry. So you dont know whats happening.
You have no idea what a good univ is. You are asking me why 120 scomputers became 1? Are you an idiot or are you asking this dumb question on purpose?
Listen dude, sciNet is an array of 4000 servers which act as a supercomputer. (And to the other person interested in knowing what its used for, was it my2cents?)
We use this to study climate changes in canada. The meteoroogical centre for ontario is affilated with the dept of science and engineering for our univ.
They use this in CS for many advanced algorithms blablabla
The researchers/phd students in astrophysics will be using scinet to process the terabytes of data we receive from our 12 space observatories the university has built in nova scotia.
many many people will be using this thing… so stfu ashfaq
The 120 supercomputers are each arrays of 96 servers where 96 servers form 1 supercomputer. Seems your knowledge of IT is very limited.
I dont want to waste time with you Ashfaq, i’ve got better things to do in my life. This is my final words to you. I didnt even read half of your comments, they were too fucking hilarious i had to stop reading.
You will make a big joke of yourself the day you go outside mauritius and say things like: “Laser is light and light is cheap” By saying this, you are YOURSELF showing how much UoM is advanced in lasers that they use keychain lasers in their experiments and thats why none of their experiments yield valuable results…
I, like Yashna, havent made a joke of myself when i left… why you ask? Simple! Because i agreed to the fact that my knowledge of the world was very limited. UoM was extremely poor in resources etc. I agreed that, unike you, i will go and learn what a laser really is from a certified university (Not UoM because they use keychain lasers). And then once i know in real world what is what, then i will talk. When you do this, you feel you have learnt something of a higher level and you are closer to understanding what the world is really about.
and thats my final words… i’m so bored typing this
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Recorded last comment of @Kunal, @Ashfaq 🙂
Awaiting that of Yashna 😛
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🙂 fascinating debate….
i think there are some very interesting points which Yashna has brought up…Rs.10 000 lunch!!!??? Man! Some people get half that much as salary! pff!!!
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Well, it was certainly enlightening for me to read ashfaq’s answer and see how people try to justify what can’t be justified.
Ashfaq, you write something which I comment on and then you proceed to reply to what I’ve written in a way so that you contradict yourself.
The bit you’ve written about engineering and how it relates to helping poor people makes absolutely no sense.
If children in Africa don’t receive pills, it’s because the money given by NGOs to their governments end up in the fat pockets of their leaders.
And if the government had reduced the budget of the finance ministry, a larger budget could have been given to the ministry of education.
My money, yeah, cz I worked my ass off to get it and I’ve already signed a bond to get it, so yeah, it does become my money.
You analysed?? I would be interested to know from which data. Caltech has existed since 1871 and I guarantee you that everything here has been given by private funds, it might be that the person giving the money owned a company but he was giving it in his own name.
I have not been to UoM, I owe it nothing, unlike you! And you might want to know that even public universities here obtain donations from their alumni.
You moron, you were telling me about UoM’s contribution and I was telling that I don’t know any ministers who have been to UoM, they’r all hypocrites like you, they’ll boast about it and then send their children abroad.
You used the pronoun ‘we’ indicating YOU and the others.
You asked me what I had achieved in the U.S and if you had mentioned that you were asking for stupid answers, I’d have told you that I’ve learnt spanish so far~
Also, I think you’d have done better to go to one of those foreign universities you got admitted to, at least you would not have been so bitter about not going!
And one more thing, I don’t believe in religion, and this has nothing to do with this debate but since you mentioned it, there is nothing that makes people as arrogant like religion, Religion places humans at the center of the world and the earth at the center of the universe. It makes you believe you are superior to other beings and that god came only to you. Science tells you are just one of the many creatures, in one tiny planet, that have managed to become successful and that we could just as easily be destroyed, and if that would happen, nothing would happen to earth. Life would go on without us.
I think I said almost everything then, I don’t think I want to respond to insults,
P.S I read your article and it reeks of hypocrisy and hatred. It makes me think of those people who keep saying, A+ should be abolished and then, send their kids to star schools.
Thanks Yashvin for giving me the opportunity to express myself and best of luck!
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Kunal, what a patriot you are. You call Mauritius a shithole.
How dare you!!! I’m sure that is where you will run to when your ass gets frozen in the Canadian cold! Or should I say when your shit is frozen 🙂
You are probably already bragging about the nice beaches to your friends.
Comeon man! You have found your paradise in Canada. We wish you well. But qualifying your motherland in such despicable terms does not get your points through.
Some are working hard to make it a better place here. Respect them at least.
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Ok, we now have everyone’s last words. Thanks for ur participation lol.
PS : You may have noticed, the post is becoming too long. That’s the reason why I decided to stop accepting comments.
But I am sure that if you want to continue the discussion and if you all agree, I can share your email addresses among urselves.
Cheers and have a nice week!1
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2Cents, ya thats true lol :))) all my friends here are very impressed about our beaches 😀
The reason i call it shit hole cos its governed in a despicable way 😦
and yes, mauritius is beautiful! 🙂
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It should be clear!!! Scholarships are offered as an investment onto the future, its the main idea behind the offering of scholarships!!!
Now if laureats accept to take the form of an investment for their, its mandatory for them to pay back sooner or later…the contrary would be a theft!!!
Et aussi, le bonom ki a dit kil naller plus revenir a moris, cela demontre ke le code dde lonneur ou ethic et linteligence ne font pas forccement pair!!!
Moris pas avancer a couse so ban intelo con!!!
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pa ti pu return moi si mo ti ggne opportinuty 😀
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To those who say that laureates should return to MRU to pay back the money spent on them by the taxpayer – what is the definition of a scholarship? It is a grant and NOT a loan that has to be paid back! End of story.
What the Government of Mauritius should do is to change the conditions of the scholarship and stipulate that laureates must attend the University of Mauritius or any other alternative Mauritian institute to further their studies. If they want to study overseas, so be it but at their own expense! In that case, they forfeit their scholarship and the next best student should receive the scholarship.
What is the point of running a University in Mauritius and then give scholarships to top students to study abroad? Doesn’t that imply that the UoM is not good enough?
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To all those who say that the bond is less than 500K, please GFY! It was 500K for me and it’s now probably a lot more.
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I fully agree when people complain when they state that the laureates are products of the Mauritian money & system. When it is said that they must return, some questions arise:
1 Given that Mauritius hardly ranks any of its university at international level, what (research or anything at all) will our best brains do in this country?
2 At the highest levels we have political nominees; which inferior roles will our best brains play in Mauritius? Will they bow to the orders of the politicians? Don’t we know that for anything requiring specialization we have our politicians looking for the “Partenaire strategique” or others from “langleterre, lafrance, etc” meaning that at the highest level they are suffering from the inferiority complex. That we are good just for copying.
3 Mauritius is notorious as a large consumer of heroine and as a nation seriously affected by diabetes.
Under such conditions, sometimes if we see any Mauritian shining in the international arena, we should not bother about how much money we spent over them but appreciate.
One good idea to keep them is to give them land which should not be transferable; be used not only for living but equally for professional development. After an absence of certain period if they don’t appear, may the land go to the next best.
Idea to be developed further.
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mo dakor..mai sa bne loreat..c zot droit sa labourse la..zot ine trimer pu ggn sa..mne cotoye zot moi…entre enn zelev ki apran pu paC ek enn ki apran pu etre parfait..ena enn monde de difference les gars..moris pa propoz nu bne bon opportunities..zot ena potentiel, intelligence plein..mai pna meritocracy dan moris..ni egaliT bne kamarad.. 1 loreat si mo pa tromP ggn enn bourse de Rs3M…aster nek penC lor enn projet komien enn minis koken…10 foi plis ki sa.. minis la pa meriT, li pren kass la..mai sa zot pa pu dir…pa pu lev lavoix..mai kan enn dimun trimer, travail kuma bef pu ggn sa, zot kriyer o e fort ki zot pa ggn droit rest dehor..c zot droit man…
pu enn zelev normal..li perdi 3 point dan lexamen, li enn ti zafr…mai saem zafr pu enn piti ki p compete pu loreat..si line perdii 3 point, li dir tw line mal travail…aster penC…bne la p apran pu zot lavenir…zot pu servi zot potentiel ek inteligence enn plas kot zot pu beneficier osi..akz zot pu bzn vive osi…!!!
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One thing,if they don`t intend to return to mauritius,they will have to pay back the scholarships. So the so-called “mauritian tax payers“ money will return to mauritius.
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i think that those laureates who do not want to come bk r really selfish.i don’t think that the Gov should pay everything for them.after all, wt’s the use?they don’t wnt to cm bk? OK.fine.that money can b invested 4 other brilliant students who badly need that money to pursue their studies.
Well guys.its high time to change that mentality of selfishness.do cm bk and serve your country.if every1 does like this, we will soon witness the gradual degradation of competent human species in Mauritius.
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Guys, you are all pissing around. I left MRU in 1977 to study medicine in France (paid for by my family and working during my uni years. I graduated, took a look at going back home, but gave up this “idea”a few minutes after visiting MRU hospitals. I went on to the UK and became a Consultant in 1996. Would I work in MRU? NO why? Medicine is unethical, corrupt based on who you know rather than who you are! I have been an academic, published >20 peer reviewed papers, chapters in books. My life opportunities were better abroad and I did not quite like to have to jump thru hoops to achieve what I wanted. So grow up and stop having the “islander” mentality that MRU is better than anywhere else!
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@Ukconsultant: i agree with you that you have toiled a lot as well as your parents n i admire your motivations.
But what about those who have been laureates and the Mauritian Government have paid huge sums for their studies?If they do not return to serve their country, then i should call this ” a waste of money.” i am not saying that i am patriotic but i would have gladly come to serve my country.if everyone has such mentality as you have there the country will be a complete flop and there will never be progress. you know what? people like you are so greedy and want better prospects abroad because you are very well paid.n in that materialistic world who do not want to have more money? more and more people are narcissistic and i wonder what will happen if the world is 2 crammed with more Shakespeare’s Malvolio!!! its time that you people change this mindset and GROW as you have suggested.
i am not lecturing you for you are much elder than me but this is my point of view.if you agree,its good, if not, well sorry for you.We are in a democratic country.it’s desperate that even though God has attributed intelligence to human species some people still incapable to use even 1% if not 100% of their intelligence in such matters.
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Woow…i never thought scrolling could be that tiring to get to the comment form!!! :D….Nice article by the way. Ironically many of them will boast about Mauritius once they get ‘adopted’ abroad. They will tell people about the beauty of the island and the culture so on…bla bla bla!
I’ve known some people (not all of the laureates though) like that who stay in european countries and the funny part is that they will tell you that they miss the island, with the traditional food and so on! How sarcastic! 😀
I want to point out that this situation does not totally concern laureates, but also those who have been leaving the country by their own mean and that’s why Mauritius suffers a lot from brain drain. But I totally agree with you that Laureates should return to Mauritius.
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I love this post. it just proves the level of our education system and my point.
Our “beloved” government spends an average of 6 million rupees(counting 2 million per year in UK for a BSC/BA) to put a kid through a high profile university in the UK and they only sign a bond for 500K. Do the maths people, there’s 5.5 million missing. And by the way, for those of you who do pay taxes, that’s your money.
I’d prefer see it used to do something useful for Mauritius(although i seriously doubt it with our current administration) than spent providing for a kid for a minimum of 3 years without any guarantee of getting any kind of return on investment
UOM is being advertised as a centre for tertiary education in our region. I see no valid reason why our laureates need to go abroad to get a tertiary education and spend my tax money on him/her.
We now have training in almost every field in Mauritius, why can’t we use the resources available locally?
Most of the people I know who do a great job in their fields have not been to a high profile institution or a university abroad. Why can’t our fresh laureates and all those who took part and passed the HSC exams do the same.
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Pour ou contre? Bann ki’nn blié zott ‘bond’ pé gagne case la-cour…
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@Torpedo : It is a good start! Saying that there are no opportunities in Mauritius is only a blame excuse for not coming back. In that case, they did not need to sign the bond and take our money!
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Mw mo dir seki p ale etudier 2hor pa retourner matelot!!!! pu nayer sa…pu ggne 1 bon travay to bzin ena BACKING POLITIK….ress 2hor travay, amizer…malgre ki to cav dimun pli intelligent, pli qualifier dan pays la entier, si to pna backing politik, pa retourner…toussa ban degree ek masters ki to cav ena la pa vo nanyer pu sa ban p*l*n la…zot pa cne valeur sa banla
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@Nilesh: @Hans:
En tou cas, ala enn ti zistwar ki enn collègue travail – so garson inn “sorte lorea” l’année dernière – pé raconte moi: démarche pou gagne la-bourse la enn veritable parcours du combattant ça.
Boug-la inn bizin negliz so travail nett pou capav faire va-et-vient entre ministerr, l’ambassades, check e-mails, avoy fax, alle faire le-tour tou bann departements pou gagne bann (bon) renseignement, attestations ek confirmation etc… Lerr tousala ressi fini, la-oussi pas fini parski ena enn final hurdle: enn madam ki control tou sa ti-cirque la, inpé deklar couma enn board-member ki’nn dire li cri-cri: “Ou ki ou role ou? Ki-faire ou cwar mo la?”
En fait, ena enn clique haut-fonctionnaire ki decider ki pou gagne la-bourse dehors, la-bourse UoM, ki pa pou gagner, tou depann en grande partie de si ou “bien né” / “bien connecté”, parski ena mem bann non-classé ki capave gagner sa-bann la-bourse la. Donc, pou faire demarche mem, inn prend boug-la 9hr par jour pendant 4 semaines environ.
Alorss, finalement, quand piti-la inn ressi gagne saki li ti pé rodé (médecine), li trouve so bann camouades ki ena pann classer inn fini secure enn la-bourse parski zott ti ena enn kikenn ki “konn” madam-la, ek ena lezott so bann camarades classé ki’nn contente zott-mem de UoM, li alle realiser ki bann ki’nn ress Moris se sont littéralement fait “voler” une bourse ‘undergrad’ internationale…
Asterr imagine bann lezott international (yet less glamorous, but with all travel & living expenses covered) scholoarships ki nek advertise enn sel koutt dans bann zournal couma Mauritius Times, ki kalité dimoun ki alle gagne sa…?
Enn l’idée sovaz: ki-ferr pas augmente bond-la ziska Rs 2 (deux) millions au-lieu 0.5 M (peanuts)?? Ar ça, si zott pa retourner…
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IF LAUREATES DOESN’T WANT TO COME TO MAURITIUS,THEN ITS SIMPLE,THE GOVERNMENT MUST NOT PAY FOR THEIR STUDIES OR THEY CAN STUDY AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MAURITIUS..THEY ARE TOO GREEDY AND OVER CONFIDENT…zot p rode tou dan plateau but nou pas couyon.
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quick scan at job list that my friends who won scholarships (not necessarily laureates) at the time I left school (1998) are doing right now:
mathematical analysis of financial equations in huge finance company, IT engineer on oil platforms, doctor, veterinarian, clinic dentist, 3d animator in entertainment industry, game programmer at EA sports etc… now think about it. All of them are married and most of them have met their partner during study time, and I can imagine their salary scale as well!
Why would they even bother to come back permanently to Mu?
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well yashvin i do agree with wat u said..bt one should also think for his/her benefit . .if there was a good job prospect in Mru, of course most of our laureates would have returned bk 2 work 4 the country but it’s not the case dear. U just cant blame them n open a blog only to make such critics..i see that most of the comments are in favour of ur arguments. i dont know if u’l b removing mine too as the others but i think what these people r doing is what they think is right for them. n it’s like a reward given to them because of their good results so they can make use of it like they wish.
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If you are so adamant about the tax payers’ money you should delve into other matters where more substantial amounts of money are being “stolen” from you (e.g. medpoint etc). Now tell me, if you were a laureate and given the opportunity to work at Apple, IBM or Google in the UK for example, what would you do? Say no in the name of Patriotism and return to Mauritius?
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Well am a laureate who topped my uni in my field. I came back to Mtius to perform my patriotic duty. It has been months that I have applied for jobs (a lot of them) but no replies. I think your blog is fighting the wrong fight bro. Become a laureate, listen to the political bullshit, top your field, refuse jobs and come back here to see the bleak reality. Your blog should have been titled “After my studies, I won’t return to Corruptland”
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I`m with you bro…exact same situation as you are!! It`s so hard to get a decent job even if you are the top in your field in Mauritius. It really pisses me off when some f..cking idiot try act so patriotic and say stuff he has absolutely no clue about.
The only way I can get the job I deserve in Mauritius is if I`m related to some politicians, and not to mention, I should be of a certain religion! Fucking bastards.
Money contributed by MAURITIANS? Does this guy by any retarded reasoning think that he is the only one contributed to that money?! That`s another problem with the Mauritian society. Every asswipe thinks he can justify his actions and talk about others because he paid some tax. Morons!
Well yashvin, if you really wanted to share your patriotic thoughts and tell everyone how evil the laureates are, then why don`t you do it face to face. Ask the laureates why they are not returning? Don`t you think that people would want to return to their families and to the place they grew up??? You might be a laureate yourself, or not? (who gives a shit anyway about a retard), and probably the only reason you are able to talk about others is because you have some decent job with a good salary and could be you have some political contacts, but did you ever try to understand the situation from an unbiased perspective??
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Dude, I bet you would be singing a different tune were you a laureate. -.-”
So much bitterness on here. Makes me lol. xD
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I give this youngster credit for being honest…he has the balls to say it out loud and he would probably stick to his words. Well…do you really think those who did not express it in words would come back to Paradise Island? What’s there for him/her anyway? As soon as he would come he would be faced with numerous hassles, prejudices and even harassments. Depending on what he/she chooses to be, they would be cautioned not to return, etc. Take me for instance. I have been away from Paradise Island for 16 years, but with the intention of returning to serve my island. For the past three years or so, I have contaccted every relevant government and non-government body about my good intentions of doing something for the island. And guess what the outcome has been? It’s laughable…some have suggested approaching ministers or other infleuntial bodies. I would perhaps but that would be indulgence, isn’t it? I would leave this privilege for someone with fake qualifications and no real accolades. I am qualified from one of the best UK universities, working in the top university in area which is so close to the needs of my mauritian counterparts….but that’s not enough of course! I don’t get any support because I may not have a non-Mauritian surname perhaps? I am still somehow managing well in this adopted homeland…it ain’t exactly what I had set out to do in my teenage years but at least I am appreciated here, at least I am making a difference somehow. Of course it isn’t the same and my wish of returning and doing something unique for my island would perhaps remain a dream….So will you lot blame me for not trying hard enough to make it back? Would you carry on assuming that I have forsaken my homeland for greener pastures? I am ready to share my many years of knowledge, training and everyhting I have known about diabetes research…is it my fault that I have done so well? Because that is exactly what is getting in my way…had I been mediocre and enlisted Mons le ministre’s help then I would be welcome with open arms…what a joke! At least the laureat is mature enough to see what is really happening. There has been big talks about the diaspora…about getting our Mauritian expats to lend a helping hand in the development of the island…but let me tell you all this isn’t the case. It is a camouflaged myth. They don’t want us to return because they feel we would pinpoint and identify the lazy, incompetent and selfish souls occupying prestigious positions and sounding important. They certainly feel threatened that we might overturn them and engulf their jobs….So don’t just judge this laureat’s intentions. Just because he/she has got a real chance of making it out of Paradise Island and you haven’t doesnot mean you have to the right to call him/her names. He/she worked hard and earned this right of passage to a better future and if you all teach your kids to do the same they might too have a better future. For a change let’s rejoice that the taxpayers’ money will be spent on a good cause and not swallowed up by the fat wallets of rotten and corrupted poiticians!
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