Since a few days now, the results of the Higher School Certificate have been made public, making some students overjoyed, while some may be disappointed.
As usual, newspapers have given much importance to the 2009 laureates.
While reading these newspapers during this weekend, I was reading the interviews of some of the laureates who have the sense of Patriotism by clearly stating that they WILL return back after their studies to help Mauritius.
However, to my astonishment, some of they said :
“After my studies, I won’t return to Mauritius”
or
“Depending on opportunities, I will decide if I will be back to Mauritius” or things like that.
F*ck to them!
How do they dare to say things like that when its with the money of the Mauritians that their studies will be financed for years?
Not only their studies, but even their living and pocket money!
Did they forgot that? or are they dumb despite being ‘laureates’?
If some of them (or even you) reply that its with their hard work that they achieved that, then they should not have competed to obtain a scholarship, CONTRIBUTED by Mauritians!
I think that the Government should make some conditions regarding these scholarships, for instance, they should return back to the country after their studies, or things like that. I dont know if it is the case, but for certain scholarships offered by certain countries, I know they have conditions.
You may perhaps have heard the ministers or other persons saying that they have kindly asked the students to return back to the country, its as if they are begging them.
Do not hesitate to forward this to your friends, specially if they form part of the 2009 laureates.
That’s my point of view and I will be happy to hear yours…
Yashvinblogs 
“”selven said:
@Yashi
LOL :p i think you don’t know who i am =), i don’t need an hsc scholarship i believe =)”””
haahaha : the man with two weird wings and a suitcase in his hand 😛 **kidding**
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lol =).
@ nilesh, you are very right!
i believe coz it is just the education system itself being flawed [favoring people who learns like parrot, rather than those who can reason]. THOUGH there are people who have good reasoning who also manage to get their way through the system.
Another thing to note is that, people tend to be dependant on that culture of corruption. “X is my son, so he gets to work there”.
Things will go logically only if children themselves manage to have ethics and refuse what their dad/mom offers them [when it is unethical]. Because, all parents are selfish when it comes to the future of their children…
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I don’t think what you have said makes any sense. You show high level of stunch and bias. I wonder why some people will leave the lands of meritocracy to return to Mauritius where there is always corruption and political backing prevailing. Despite haiving learnt so much, they will come back and work under some politically well backed noob suppressing their talent. At least, abroad, they can work to their fullest and be recognised for that, making Mauritius, in itself as a nation, famous and pride.
And you stated, ‘money of Mauritians’. They are Mauritians and they contributed just like you in that so your assertion is baseless.
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@Vit : Oh, they contributed? I guess it is by taking the money away for their own benefit, forgetting the country?
What is more important? make the country progress or make it famous?
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You are only trying to prove something without having a vision. If for you that is the meaning of contribution, so be it then. I won’t argue on that.
The issue is debatable and each one will defend himself by his/her own means. If you earned something by your efforts, the reward is yours only. No one will cast his/her eyes on that; in fact, no one really has the rights. I would only urge you to do some research about the scholarship awarded by Government of Mauritius; you might find that you are arguing for nothing. If you are so interested to make the country progress, go first fight the corruption out there and then point fingers at people who want to make themselves a notable individual. If you can only find a solution to the problem of political backing, there will be an awesome lot of those laureates who will return to Mauritius.
Why are you putting all the responsibilities of national progress on their shoulders only. I believe that as a responsible citizen, you too should march forward with the real patriotic effervescence and make the progress a reality (as I believe you have used patriotism somewhere around up there).
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@Vik : Its your point of view… I respect it…
Tell me something, you are talking about progress, patriotic effervescence and responsible citizen, I wonder why your IP shows a foreign country ^o)
Anyways, thnks for ur comment.
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Yea am studying abroad. I am paying a lot to study and am doing my part in the progress phenomenon. Now, after I graduate I shall see the role of the Mauritian Government and political backing in their part of the progress. No need to be in the motherland, to be patriotic.
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Selven wrote:
Things will go logically only if children themselves manage to have ethics and refuse what their dad/mom offers them [when it is unethical]. Because, all parents are selfish when it comes to the future of their children…
I agree with you on this point. I for one never let my family push me into something just because we are related to X, Y or Z. I was always against it and will teach my kids that… Mais bon! Mauritius is corrupted and nothing will change for at least 10 years…at least..I try to do my little bit though…
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Yashvin, vik is right about this, many of us have seen how this thing works here, you are only lying to yourself saying that there is no corruption and no n00b will be ruling over em.
Secondly, its not that laureates should feel any way superior :p, they just got a scholarship, end of story, they deserve it, they should hae the right to work in another country if they refund back the money to their country later on [without interest] if they decide not to come back.
The idea is, they are still working for the country even if they are away, getting the country famous is better than working for the country.
Consider someone coming back and working for the country, its the state that will be paying the guy/gal mostly, what does this bring to the country? some expertise?
Now, suppose the guy went to work somewhere, made a huge name there, people will know “heh he is from mauritius”, there’ll be some few companies who might be interested, probably wondering “that country is mostly in trouble, probably there might be other brains like that there, if we invest there, we might be lucky enough to fish out some few like him/her.. so let’s try to have a branch there… in the end this is more profitable.
Trust me, having someone incompetent working over you just because the latter has connections is enough to turn someone into a murderer or a goon, alor ki serti?
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Lol! Selven, you are right..I think what we see in Hindi movies are not that far from the painful truth. I know so many people who desserve to be promoted, but are not because X or Y’s son/daughter, nephew or niece is given th eplace.
I know an ex-deputy of Moka Flacq who gave work to his friend'(useless, almost unedeucated) daughters work at Air mauritius. One was even an air hostess…pff!!! Made me red with anger…(pas surprenant Air Mauritius pe couler! lol!)
Anyway, life here is like this..I do have hope though that one day we shall make a difference with our thoughts and actions….
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Somebody in this thread said not to waste money on univ abroad and send their children to UoM instead… thats a fucking joke right?
There are only 2 things that are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity! For someone to say send their children to UoM instead, that person must be the biggest moron of all time.
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@Kunal : Pas d’accord di tout r twa, et dimoune pu zour toi lol!
Mo pas ti uom mwa? alors…
meme toi to ti uom! lol, mais tone sover 😛
aller, craze li bane uomiens!
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its not about whether you need to force people or not to be at uom… its a matter of freedom, you agree to sponsor the kid for a univ when he wins a scholarship, a word is a word, and you can’t force him in a place which he doesn’t like!
and stop saying that laureates are elites and almighty… that’s false =D i know a lot of laureates who just are plain idiots compared to me [whether you like it or not :p]. Hell I know dudes who have never done any univ and yet IS AMONG THE BEST i’ve known! So??? still arguing about elites?
The thing is, they’ve worked for that hsc exams and played the game of the system, and hence they deserve their scholarship and its fairly logical that they will not want to be working under a moron when they come back. This is understandable and frankly, i don’t see the fuss about all this.
THIS MONEY IS NOT ANYONE’S IT IS FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE.
and spending it on laureates is a GOOD thing, because, it is in some way encouraging people to work!
Sure, mainly rich dudes profit from that, but ATLEAST it is a way out for atleast one poor person or two. And no, you can’t say you’ll provide the scholarship for only people having X amount of money, BECAUSE this is not fair, in a fair system, we don’t judge people based on their financial situation, color, race, creed etc.., this applies for the rich and the poor equally.
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The grass is never greener elsewhere!
Lets take a deeper look at it. After completion of their studies abroad, they want to work at the best job they get abroad. They will get paid way much than here. fine. But then, its not the same life there. you wont have the seaside parties you would have here, no family gatherings, no mauritian palabs, overall no sense of belonging. Does money mean everything? Of course the other things do not really matter to geeks. lol.
Generally, wiser move would be to return back to mauritius. But if they do not want to return, better for me! you leaving your part of cake for me man.. more for me. more opportunities, more space in nature, everything..
My 2cents to the Laureates: GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE IF YOU WANT TO! – Coz NOBODY is Irreplaceable!
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There seems to be a sense of hatred against laureates here…
is that coz some of your feel inferior to laureates and hence counter this effect by showing a large dose of illogical frustrations….
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@selven : lol, not exactly, not from me though. even I wrote this post.
As I have clearly mentioned : the main issue is the money (millions) going far from the country’s tax payers.
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@Yashvin: LOL oui daccord mais problem ki mo ena ek UoM c’est ki zot encore doie moi Rs 500!!!! Banne ggt la!!! Ek satan so kaka fes offspring of a horse la ti mari beze moi sa!!! Apres tout mo ti passe ene bon moment UoM ek zot lol
@CR7: Theres no cake in mtius and neither are there opportunities.
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didn’t mean you :p.
huh??
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lolz !! yea… u wrote bout it .. but I was much more harsh ! lolz..
however, for the comments .. I guess ther’s only 1 fing people aint understanding YET !
Government give rs150million to around 25 laureates..
University of Mauritius Fees are around rs 12k to 15k !! ..
Thats 10,000 student fees of University Of mauritius! .. Meaning if that money wasn’t given to those nerdies.. 10,000 kids would have had university education FREE !!!
Many students think twice now, even going to univ or start working .. simply because they dunt have enuf money even to pay for the application fees !!
+Neways .. the laureats even if they are not given state bursaries, their results are good enuf to obtain personal bursaries from many universities !! ..
U can check ma article too guys .. 😛
http://ashfaqblog.blogspot.com/2009/02/hsc-results-2008-2009-hsc-hypocrisy.html
u will loooove it ! lolzzz..
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@selven – “its fairly logical that they will not want to be working under a moron when they come back.”
U taking mauritians for morons dude ??
“THIS MONEY IS NOT ANYONE’S IT IS FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE.”
false, it is by 400k mauritians to 25 persons who wont come back to mauritius, it would be fair only if it was BY 400K to 10k students..all given free education at UoM or Utm
“And no, you can’t say you’ll provide the scholarship for only people having X amount of money, BECAUSE this is not fair, in a fair system, we don’t judge people based on their financial situation, color, race, creed etc..,”
fair = juste.. u r wrong again.. what is more juste than to help the poor and those people whose births havent gifted them with rich families ??? color, race and all that i dunt think were included… by the financial point is very important..
In a fair system, the government help the poor
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=) i am a mauritian living in mauritius … and i am not wrong when i say that many high ranked people are present there just because of political affiliation without a strong knowledge based selection ever made…. DUDE.
false, it is by 400k mauritians to 25 persons who wont come back to mauritius, it would be fair only if it was BY 400K to 10k students..all given free education at UoM or Utm
False, when the mauritians pay their taxes and elect somebody [a government], is supposed to manage those resources… and by voting, those thousands of mauritians are in a way saying “we want this”.
Secondly, this is a bit like the lottery system, everyone buys a lottery, say for Rs.5, if everyone wanted to get back his Rs.5 at the end of the day… there’s no gain, no one will ever win….
We are just concentrating resource on (i hate this term) “the winners” of some exams, so as we can finance their education, coz one way of the other, we will still be making profits… nothing ventured, nothing gained. Sure you will say no body is irreplaceable, i on in phase with that, but its just that you people agree that this system is A KNOWLEDGE testing factor [even if IT ISN’T] and you prefer to consider laureates as “the cream of the cream”, so you need to finance “the cream of the cream”… if the system was better and near perfect, even then you would have had to finance whoever excels at your system of education.
University isn’t for everyone.. many go there just to loiter around, have fun, waste the tax payers money without really becoming productive.
Those who wish to learn something will most probably love it, and are the one we want there… maybe an entry exams?? [field based?]
As far as i know, the government provide supports for families in financial difficulties when it comes to paying univ fees.
Uom is still free… the entrance fee has exorbitantly increased [weirdly even if their has been a rise in intake].. which makes no sense… Not having that entrance fee probably you would have seen anyone registering in the uom to probably get a bus pass? have a look here and there for a chick to screw up around? spend more time doing nothing?
till you agree with this education system, you have to agree with laureates being awarded scholarships…
They running away is ok, AS LONG AS, after X years, they return the money WITHOUT interest, Else work in your country… its not restrictive…. You don’t award somebody something to restrain him… If the guy didn’t study crap and spoil his life with boring shit, those 400k people you are saying wouldn’t have given him that scholarship, he made effort for that, and its unfair that now that effort be rewarded by a sort of “small characters in the devil’s agreement paper” that’s gonna screw him up later on and make him be forced to gamble his future.. because he has no idea how in some years the government sector will be….
In a fair system, you treat everybody EQUALLY, You can’t use emotions to cloud your judgement… a poor man and a rich man you have to view both of them equally and treat em equally.
an analogy will be…
a rich man enters your office, you don’t offer him a tea, because he is rich and you don’t like the rich.
A poor man comes in your office, you offer him a tea, because you like helping the poor…
that’s being unfair and “get deux maniere”.
You can’t see the poor one as lower than the richer one, par exemple nou premier ministre ki souvent dire “bann ti dimoune”, mais mo demann moi ki li prend li? Grand dimoune??? That’s a form of discrimination… you should treat all(human) as human/dimoune/entities etc..
I personally were I classified as “ti dimoune”, i would’ve been really pissed off and show the person where he stands in my eye.
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dude i was really pheeewwww about ur post.. thats damn extreme !!
In mauritius shall you know it ! People dont elect politicians on the programme basis but on the deksi, caraille , tshirt , tempo whatever they get for the elections !!
Ther is always a change, whoever we elect. The system was like that. The government should always enovate so as to help the poor people. Neways .. aint the government a sooo called “alliance sociale”
Thers is no equality basis, their is justice, duno where u come up with equality!! equal rights yes, but JUSTICE is the topmost priority. Everyone has free education for primary and secondary. Thats justice & EQUALITY, right!!
Everyone GETS FREE EDUCATION FOR UNIVERSITY.. aint that JUSTICE & EQUALITY ??
I dunt understand your point in saying university is not made for all.. University is just another step in education !
college is also not made for all.. if thats ur way to think ?
coz students who fail cpe .. would WASTE tax payers money if they go to college !! in ur line of thought !! Sorry, but that’s damn stupid.
Ther is no 2 ways of seeing a person.. treating someone as ti dimune is discrimination. BUT thats not what we are talking about.
Someone is POOR , He IS POOR !! u cannot lay a blind eye on his financial situation.. ek apres dia li.. aber kifaire to pane alle universiter twa.. to p alle travay 16ans meme!!
We are a developing nation.. we cannot remain developing.. we should become developed country.. and for that.. we should give education to our people…and IF THEY ARE POOR AND CANNOT AFFORD EDUCATION.
WE SHOULD GIVE THEM EDUCATION FREELY.
EVEN BE IT AT THE EXPENSE OF 25 PERSONS, IF 10000 GETS FREE EDUCATION.. I FINK THAT THE 25 PERSONS CAN BE PISSED OFF FOR ONCE…
NEWAYS .. DOESNT THE GOVERNMENT PISS OFF 125000 CHILDREN WITH HIS EDUCATION REFORMS EACH .. .
SOOooo.. WHAT IS 25 children being pissed off more ??
Honestly, with ur way of thiinking, their will be no JUSTICE ,and with your way of thinking, poor persons will always remain except a 1 or 2 on 8000.. who happen to become laureat ..
This is not Mauritius .. “in peace, JUSTICE and liberty…” AINT THAT OUR NATIONAL ANTHEME ??? cannot see EQUALITY DEDANS!!
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Replying to selven’s “arguments”
“a rich man enters your office, you don’t offer him a tea, because he is rich and you don’t like the rich.A poor man comes in your office, you offer him a tea, because you like helping the poor…” –
The poor man has probably not had tea for days and even prolly weeks with the increase of the price of milk.. whereas the rich man has !!
The poor man prolly has been making sacrifices and many of them, i have known, eat at nite and nothing during the day.. and even at nite sometimes.. eat bread with water !! If you are sooo unhumanly..
I WONT REPLY TO U ANYMORE.. I PREFER TALKING TO HUMANS WHO HAVE HEARTS.. COZ IF U CANNOT UNDERSTAND THIS.. U prolly wont understand any of ma points pertaining to human dignity and also humanity. which is a notion which u r very unfamiliar with.
And For making Justice, u should have Humanity.
The children in ZEP school, do u fink they bother about being treated like rich children ? or poor children ??
as long as they get their bread and milk and cheese at school.. having read ur arguments, i deduce that u would b against treating children like in ZEP school differently from children in normal government schools.. meaning ZEP school children should not be given food anymore..
You should follow ur argument till the end dude.
u made urself very clear. And i hate that mentality or “craze dimune pov” or “pov bizen rest pov ek riss vine pli riss”
When live has made 2 persons different, we should treat them differently… when someone kills, rapes ur daughter.. treat him like a friend and invite him over for diner at ur place.
When someone is poor, it is a fact. We should help him, give him financial help and also be more humane to him .. because someone who has financial problems most of the time is also mentally affected.. unlike someone rich.. a moins .. saki “gagne lottery (hsc)”..lerla vine fou!
+out of the 8000 students at uom.. mite be they loiter around, mite be they flirt, mite be they drink, mite b they party a lot..
but in the end, they also study and get their degrees..
And degrees at the UoM.. specially for Engineering are not given to anyone.. i can assure u that.
And also .. flirting , enjoying life.. is part of university life.. be it in mauritius or abroad.. thers a time for classes and a time for friends and life !!
+ur soidisant lottery and ur hsc.. !! it is a programme of study which i am totally against.. it doesnt prone the development of the children and make them open minded enuf whereas IB would b a much nicer alternative.. with subjects like philosophy !!
+u r sooo much defending those 25 laureats and their lottery.. shouldnt the 7975 students be awarded prizes tooo ?? for their efforts..
HSC – Hypocrite Society Control – Thats what it is to me.. The rich persons will always get their children to have damn good results and go to super top universities.. and then stay abroad and amass large sums of money .. and come back to reign on the islanders..
Which makes me remember Our King of The day !!
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sure… but we need to apply the rules of the perfect system, so as by suffering people will understand what it is about.
In a perfect system, the government has to be impartial and help THE PEOPLE, and not “the poor people”. EVERYONE must be helped :p. Sure you might say.. but we are not in a perfect system? … but if we don’t think in a perfect way, we shall never evolve to make the system perfect… [note by perfect i mean near perfect].
That’s illogical what you said, Everyone are given the same start [sure those being richer get more… there’s a flaw in the education system itself. Giving everyone the opportunity is justice and equality, but if you don’t have the aptitude for doing something, you can’t provide everyone access to it… everyone with the aptitude has access to it [note that here again, there’s a flaw in the way they try to find the aptitude of somebody…].
The right way to say it… “everyone worthy* gets the same chance and opportunities”.
(*worthy: here again, i mean whether they are meant to be in a field of not.. someone who doesn’t know how to read and write doesn’t mean he is not worthy… he just is good for something else.. par exemple, many can’t understand your car mechanics as well as your mechanic.)
:p the name of a political paty is meant to make people feel part of it [or concerned]. its like the packaging of of say.. a chocolate, say for nestle’s chocolate stuff, on the packaging there is a jug of milk being poured into creamy chocolate… but then, is there a jug in the chocolate? nope.. its there just to make the chocolate appear more appealing.. similarly the name of any political party.
LOL :p you’ve hit the interesting part…
Yes, that’s how i think it is… BUT, you can’t prevent someone from accessing college, because it is a place where you have general knowledge about things, and students are too young to be tested for anything at CPE level. [hell those exams are flawed and tests nothing other than just looking out for parrot learners.]
:p weirdly, i have never mentioned that students who go to college will waste tax payers money… don’t read in between lines :p.
For for a university this applies… sure you can also do it the french way, get everyone to join in, and make the exams really tough and kick out failures at the end of the year.. but then, i prefer to find another way… to test people for their real aptitudes… using unbiased tests [instead of judging by marks from weird exams..]
Yes univ needs to be restricted… univ isn’t a place where you are supposed to go sit and listen to the dude explaining thing… at univ you are to learn by yourself, and univ is supposed to be a temple of knowledge where everyone share knowledge in between, now place a few people who don’t have any interest in the subject matter… imagine how “gay” they will start to find it that people are talking about research stuffs together probably they’ll just start getting bored and make noise and disturb the whole class?? or just sit there doing nothing wasting tax payers money… while they could have on the other hand get a course paid by the government that they like or take a loan from the government to start a business they like or do something constructive with the tax payers money.
If you don’t believe that a university is such a place… then you better learn a bit about the history of university. Its a place where academics come together and share ideas.
Besides, you are not really restricting anybody from knowledge if you don’t offer them a seat at the university… there are so many ways to learn something…
As far as i know… education is still free in mauritius… even university… the small amount of money spent on univ, the rs.18k something for 1 year is just insignificant compared to the real value you have to pay… this is in a way to prevent as i said.. people to join in an do nothing other than for the reasons i mentionned above [read the part where i said about bus card etc..].
Didn’t you know that the government offers loan for people having salary less than a certain amount of money… and REFUNDS for people having salary less than a certain amount those with only 1 surviving parent also benefit from that. so?
Education isn’t free in mauritius??
You mean to say poor people can’t go to univ?
i said they have refund, loans etc.. they better have a good excuse not to go if they are good.
And yes, there are people who don’t go to further studies because they are poor.. and it has got nothing to do with the fees DUDE… use your brain,
IF there’s a refund of fees or loan Fees isn’t a problem! The problem is, the guy feel he has to work to make his family live properly… and if you wish to give that opportunity to this guy to study, you need to give him an allowance monthly, something that will be like a salary of someone of his age… this is one good thing, allowance for students is good, but can the country support that? cutting financial supports to laureates will not be able to cope for that….
at least the scholarship is a WAY out, because it provides an allowance… hence some poor guy winning it has just got a way out!
another thing, yes the scholarship system is good, but the way the education system tests for “good” students is wrong
what do you mean by FREE education, please expand?
:p please don’t use SMS kind of language… it is a pain to read :p
Same for SHOUTS, :p i can read lower case also :p.
125000 children should let their voice heard when they get pissed off.. pfft they never do any student revolution here.
As always, my way of thinking is just awesome =) it seems to me that you didn’t care to read my previous posts before replying.
If logically you say one or two poor person will be advantageous on this and that mostly the rich are enjoying this… then you should have realized by now that … in no way this is the fault of the scholarship system…. it is the fault of the education system… this hsc thing :p.
This learn by heart thing. This immature kind of reasoning saying that getting AAAAA means perfection … when the guy might have no clue what X is used for in real life even if he knows by heart that X is made up of atoms. Or how he can use X for some other purpose not defined in a book… no reasoning is used.
After you read what i said in this post and you come to here, i can only say “LOL” here. since after all the system is equal for all and offers rewards =). Its the selection of who is considered good that is wrong :p.
So i am unhumanely if i chose to offer both a tea?
bof, if that’s what it takes to be impartial, am okay with being unhuman or inhuman or whatever. I treat everyone as equal and chose to treat everyone equally :p [of course, that’s in the beginning, the more you make your nasty, the more you fall down and lose your equality… :p don’t say i never gave you the same equal treat in the beginning]
ohh god, i should take a handkerchief with me, am gonna cry.
Dude, sure justice and some humanity is needed, but if you treat somebody one way, you should treat the other also the same way, its only when he starts losing “trust” that you treat him differently.
its like a new medicine, it is initially given the same treatment as all, but if it starts producing fatal side effects, we have to ban it or use it for some other purpose.
There’s nothing inhuman in what i said, i merely said we ought to treat both person equally..
As for whether for making justice you need to have humanity.. NO this isn’t the case.
For doing justice you need to be impartial.. that’s why doing justice is hard.
If that was the case, i wonder why soo many students getting caught with marijuana are arrested and condemned when they might be good kids who take their studies seriously and who respect the law and who probably may be always active in helping sick people or old people.
nooo justice is never flexible… its like the truth.. the truth is the truth, saying it is false, will change nothing about it.
Hmm… i hope you are not a coder… else your code will always have security flaws, because you never seem to think of all aspects of thing form different angles…
sure you are right, you can deduce from what i said that food and bla bla shouldn’t be given to those schools.. but then… THERE IS ALSO ANOTHER deduction that you could have made…
The one which says “give everyone food equally”.
Do you really believe that everyone in school have food.. even if they don’t seem to come from any poor background.. many families don’t like to say they are in need when in fact they are in need… and those heads lies hidden in school without food…
because monsieur decided he can choose who is poor and who isn’t and hence who to feed.
yes this is an additional expense, the perfect way would be to have some service having access to private information of people.. but this isn’t really ethical. hence… bear with the cost if you wish to be impartial. Because you might be forgetting to feed a poor Einstein somewhere.. someone who doesn’t like to show his “in need” condition :p
You should follow an English course if you think i said any stupidities as that… Or are you using 1 tactic a la ramgoolamiste to try to get majority on your side using “dimoune pov” arguments .. when it has no link to what i said at all…:P
You should treat everyone equally :p… doesn’t mean that you should give unfair treat to those who deserves better.
You gave everyone the chance to study… if they failed… you push them in some other sector they might succeed right? Or do you continue on letting em staying at school?? He chose his way
I guess this reply what to be done when someone kill and rape your daughter =)… he just chose a way .. now do the necessary…
see logical… pffft, i wonder why i am even replying illogical reasoning like that..LOL .. probably in hope of enlightening you:p
Sure, you can get a loan or a refund as i have said, am tire of saying that, but then, does that make anything better?? if someone is poor education is already free, he stops studies because he needs to support his familly, an allowance must be given… but how will you give allowances? based on good results and salary his household gets? Don’t tell me you won’t use results, because then everyone will want to get this allowance.. even if they don’t give a damn about their studies… what happens next, you will definitely be using the Result variable? right, in the end what does it become again? hsc scholarship stuffs right? except that this time, we give lesser compensation on more people… with the resource spread, you will have a mere amount given as allowance which in turn won’t make much of a difference.
While if you reviewed you education system and concentrated your resource on those people [while leaving education still free], you will be wise and using an example which you see in nature everywhere….
a concentrated beam of light will cause a fire, non concentrated, it makes nothing other than being there and offer light.
hence our need to concentrate our resource on valuable human resource also.. besides it is an incentive to learn =). The education system is still flawed btw…
Ahhh… in my life i have seen lots of copy pasters move forward…
Hell, if an engineer doesn’t drink, party, f*ck and all, i wonder what kind of engineer he is! :p
You again reading in between lines :p i said people interested in just the enjoyment part will join in :p. And i am never against heavy partying when being students… in fact, i am a freedom fighter and i believe someone can do whatever the fuck he wants as long as at the end of the day, he completes what he is supposed to complete.
So.. don’t read in between lines again :p that’s a bad habit.
here we go again…. pfft you must be an idiot if you thought i said that’s something bad! lmao, people knowing me and reading that might be laughing their ass off what you just said!
you are just using tactics “a la ramgoolamiste” here :p
I’ll pay you a kfc barrel if you can show me the part where i said people should NOT enjoy their life at univ while studying :p. I am for enjoyment and studies :p. but if some dude comes in and just enjoy and waste money and doesn’t give a damn about the studies and in doing so prevents others from learning, he’s to be kicked out and labeled as an asshole!
indeed, the ones who have successfully passed their exams do they not get a free seat offered at the uom?? That’s their reward. Getting a place in a university isn’t an easy task.
Consider it that depending on your result a certain gate[s] is[are] opened for you…
but still the this system is good, but the way the exams is done and the questions are set is wrong… that’s not taking care of the essence of real potential
not even funny!
Now you feel bad that if they come back “they will reign on you”… that’s the kind of reasoning that is called “ti lesprit” if someone is more able than you, you should accept the the fact he rules over you and that till you don’t get better, you have to gladly live under him [even if technically you don’t do that and there is no “ruling”].
This is why I am a superior being than you … you kept on saying HSC is bad HSC is bad, but then you keep on blaming the scholarship system for it….
The problem is the HSC itself… the way students are assessed and not the scholarship system.. dude you are sooo blind…
Anywayz, i hope you’ve grown a bit wiser by reading my post =)
ps. forgive me for any grammatical mistakes :p am in a sleepy state typing that… yet my brain seems to generate more logical thoughts…
pps. eagerly waiting for your next replies hoping you will reply ONLY after reading and analyzing what i said…
ppps. till now you have generated no valid points, even though you seem to be trying to argument for nothing..lol..read well why, you’ll understand. MEGALOL
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Man! Yashvin, to blog p vine ene ring de combat! Wow! Some are even writing books man! And I thought I wrote too much!
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@Reena : na lol, plateforme de discussion… mais preske ene collection de dissertations lol!
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Atleast i made u think a bit deeper about the subject *proud*
And can see following ur last post that ur extremist ideas have molten a bit.. prolly upon further research on the matter. and trying to give justifications to the ideas u were giving jus for the debate and for taunting rather from profound thinking about the matter.
okay some answers to :
Didn’t you know that the government offers loan for people having salary less than a certain amount of money… and REFUNDS for people having salary less than a certain amount those with only 1 surviving parent also benefit from that. so?
Education isn’t free in mauritius??
You mean to say poor people can’t go to univ?
Government – securiter social as they call it pays around half of it.. not the whole sum, meaning the poor person should also find the other half..
Okay lets take the example they still pay the whole money, the parent still have to give the student money for photocopies, and the loads of stuffs needed for studying at univ..
rs18k seeming soooo insignificant for u, rite ?? rs18k is 5 months salary for many..
Education is free, BUT,many poor students, let alone univ, from primary they say they cannot go to school, because they dunt have food and all, or dont have cahier, crayons,..
Thats what i fink indeed.. 😛 the government instead of giving laureats scholarship, can provide with 1000s of stipends to poor students..
The uppercase words are not for SHOUTS .. jus for you to see them well 😛 dude 😛 hahahha
I am young and kool.. i use the way of writing of a young and kool person, are you associating strict english with something else ?? blogging, forum debating ?? blogging is a new form of expressing using IT.. why should we stick to the harsh british english!:S
oooohhhh..hahahaha lolzz.. i nearly jumped off ma chair on this one :
“Now you feel bad that if they come back “they will reign on you”… that’s the kind of reasoning that is called “ti lesprit” if someone is more able than you, you should accept the the fact he rules over you and that till you don’t get better, you have to gladly live under him “.. though i was reading and smiling slowly on the previous lines.. that one was jusss.. maaaaaann.. ur killing me .. hahahaha
Alrite, now.. you would feel that normal that someone who became laureate of that stupid exam which is HSC, who has benefitted from state scholarship which he has not merits for!, not paying tax for years and then he comes back after X years, and since his dad is surely someone rich and powerful, gets the king of the day to nominate him as ur boss.. U find that normal ??
I would find that normal, to stab the guy with a knife 🙂 thats the part of the story where u are making me into a criminal btw 😛
lolzzz
btw.. how does he become more able than me in studying at foreign university ?? Are UoM lecturers less capable than their foreign counterparts ??
Lolz.. u found urself a superior being!! gooosshhh .. pheeww.. i jus hope u never get elected to be the King of the day ! 😛
u also found no logical points in my post !! .. just too bad.. i found nothing tangible in urs either, except that u r trying to praise the capitalist point of view.
However, jus for the sake of the debate, here is my view.
why do we have hsc till now ? SSR tried to stop hsc in mauritius when he was prime minister, then suddenly, he goh a fax some weeks later from the queen’s councellors , and SSR changed his point of view.. and the change from hsc to something else.. was abandonned.
Now, past government started again with that idea of putting forward IB, again, they stop everything bout that for no particular reasons, NR king of the day ‘s govt comes forward with that again, 1week after, one of the tops of the CIE comes to mauritius, and mauritius 2 weeks later, will get help from britain on many other fields.
Education services is worth 30% of uk’s budget!! .. it is thus normal that they do everything to keep their clients, including using political power and all. which is why we are sticked to HSC till now.
Now for the number of persons to enter university.
30 years ago, ther was scholarship at primary school, shall u pass that, then u will be able to go to college or to get a job.
The exams were quite tough, people repeating the class 3,4 times and then finally stopping school.
Then 20 years ago, or more, people having SC, the so-called seniorer!! were taken to be very wise and the SC a big certificate. Since students repeated 3,4 times that class then finally passed or stopped school, and whereby u can get a nice job with that certificate..dans govt!!
N now the last decade or so, HSC became the MUST, many failed, little passed, and the little who passed, many went abroad to pursue further educations, but hsc being considered enough for many clerical works, students stopped there and worked.
Now, see my logic.
When their were no colleges in Mauritius or Very very Few, the government of the day made the CPE/Scholarship exams damn difficult so that very few could get to those colleges.
Then Some colleges were constructed, and the government took the final competition to the SC, which was then damn difficult, soo more children could go to college, but very few could pass the SC.
Then, more schools had HSC, making it nearly normal, that all children go to HSC exams, where it was damn difficult to pass again, they are jus pushing it a bit further up.
And this decade, it is about UNIVERSITY. Sooo, now that the government has in mauritius enough accomodations for letting those guys enter, it increases the number of intakes at uom by 4000 !!.. 2000 last year.. and 1500 the year before.. which makes 7500 in 3 years !!
So, now it is normal to have a first degree. But that first degree wouldnt be very much worth it, seeing the jobs given to those persons, merely clerical works!!.. except for engineers which are
bac +4 equivalent are a bit much more technical and knowledgeable works :PP
well.. thats how i see it, the hsc is jus a tool that uses the government to regulate the number of intakes in the higher educational spheres since as u said education is free !!.. though it isnt, but since they subsidy a lot, it is said to be free.. they also subsidy bus tickets ,and rice and flour.. soo everything is FREE in our small paradise island, aint it dude ?
:)) Neways, going to have some romantic times now :))
lolzz..
happy st vals to all of u..
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Sure enough.
non do Reena, it would be childish to fight. Its just fun to talk and use some brain.
Anywayz at the prince of portlouis, will reply tommorrow night, plan campE today :p [yashvin to p vini???]
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@ Selven : Mo pas trop croire, koz mo p sorti la, et demain mo ena ene plan la journée.
Some nxt time, mais mo p faire demarche gagne to mob number pu ask twa abt plan la…
Shuuuuuuuuuutttt, pas dire personne 😛
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I think it’s unfaire to debate whether they should come back or not!! They work damn hard! it’s a cut throat competition, their parents paid lots of money for their tuitions… and it is a relief to be a laureate… By giving the scholarship Mauritius is acknowledging their efforts and encouraging them to go further in life!
Moreover, there is a clause which says that u have to come back and work for 5 yrs!! and the cancellation fee is in accordance to the scholarship u have been given… and it also says that if u want to go for further studies after that and pay for it, you don’t need to come back to mauritius! which is fair enough!
It also goes like this for any scholarship! For instance, if Cambridge offers a scholarship, there is no clause which stipulates that u have to stay and work for the uk etc! We should be proud that these kids are getting a scholarship and going abroad to compete with other students from other nationalities!! They make the pride of Mauritius and this is one of the reasons why Mauritius ( being such a tiny island) is well known in other countries!!
I have people telling me that Mauritians are the smartest ppl they’ve ever met!!! So I trust we should all be proud and wish them all the best in their lives! Mauritius is filled with smart ppl as it is, so it’s would not affect us if some of them get scholarships and go abroad!
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I totally agree with Shal.
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I have to say i totally disagree again !
It is very unfair that we all pay for some 25 persons to enjoy life in uk and god knows where else !
Why should the tax payers money benefit other countries ? because in the end, it is other countries who will benefit from the experience and knowledge of those guys whereby it is we who are paying for their studies.
Also, shall you know it shal, cambridge, oxford, harvard are universities who give scholarships to maintain their high standard. they attract intelligent persons to their universities to keep their rank in universities with most research works and findings and for that they lure the intelligent guys with exhorbitant cash prizes.
Also, many would say, it is the pride of the country to have someone in harvard or cambridge or oxford…I am honestly sick of hearing people say that the country is pride. The country is a basalt rock, it does not feel anything and dont know anything about oxford, harvard and watever!… Furthermore, can u prefer the happiness of 4000 students who have passed their hsc and would b damn “relieved” to have university to go without paying anything..to happiness of 25 guys who even dont bother about us who are paying their studies.
As Our prime minister said, personne pa doit nou narier .. i would put that to the laureats, nou pa doit zotte narier..
Thus, we are not bound to pay their scholarships with our money, i fink my dad’s tax would b better used by helping poor persons. That’s what i fink. If you really fink that mauritians would prefer give their money to pay scholarships for 25 persons who wont come back.. i would then dare anyone, to put a box and see how many persons drop even 50 cents in it to pay for scholarship of laureats ..
Whereas, for poor persons..
That’s my point, the laureates can get scholarships without the need of the government, in other universities. Shall they be soooo intelligent, wats the need for oxford, cambridge, MIT ??
havent we seen , that laureats dont come only from rcc, rcpl ?? but also from leckraz, mgi!!! st mary’s, all loads of other colleges, it’s not the college that makes the man, it’s the man that makes the college.
Ashfaq.
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:p LOL i don’t believe am the one with the extremist ideas here =)
am more for freedom which explains my stance on this topic :p
btw.. i have debated on this topic for quite a while and on different places :p
depending on salary… you do get full refund in some cases, i know some such cases.
Basically you mean the state will have to give a monthly stipend to ALL students… my friend, money doesn’t come out of thin air. Univ is allocated only a small percent of the annual budget.
indeed Rs.18k is soo insignificant for 1 year of registration at a univ… [compare with other univ worldwide]. Secondly, if this were to be free or easily affordable, you know what would have happened [if no, then read my previous post again :p]
So we should still be offering food, copybooks and pencils to students?
Then some parents will say “we don’t have enough money to buy clothes for our child to bring him to school”
then what???
You should try to focus on the topic of this discussion and realize that what you are saying is really things that depends on parent… many parents don’t care about their child, and it is in such cases that shit happens.
Well… even by not giving scholarship, we’ll still have trouble finding enough of money to do that…
secondly note that scholarships are a great incentive for some people to learn.. [even if it is the wrong way, but it is due to the system.].
The way you are saying it… it is as if you are saying “everyone should be the prime miniter of mauritius”!
There has to be some sort of incentive to make people want to work more.
remmember that if the government wanted it, cutting down the free transport system, we could easily fill those poor people with some basic needs… as you say so.
hmmm :s whenever someone types in capital it is call shouts… you don’t use the net very often do you? d00d :p
“kool” huh… if you prefer to take it this way 😀 continue on ..
Well either you are good or you suck. =)
LOL… you yourself shot yourself in the foot…
if you said the exam is stupid, then you are saying the educational system is stupid, which means, it has no link with the “scholarship system”, the scholarship system is the rewarding part… the education system is the part on which the reward is being allocated… which is 2 different things.
You yourself said it =) the current educational system sucks…
NOW let’s come to the part where you say he has not paid tax for years …
USING your assumption that MOST laureates hail from Rich families,
We deduce that Laureates are the one who’s parents has been paying more taxes than the others… [ Since many people who don’t have a salary above a certain level and according to number of dependents etc.. MANY don’t have to pay taxes…] (am not against)
but then that just invalidates what you just said about tax…
Secondly, if you say the individual himself hasn’t paid any tax coz he is a student, then so are the rest of the students? so what, we reject then? they are the future of this country, its our duty to invest on them.
As for the king of the day story… if the GUY is really GOOD at his job and BETTER than me, i don’t give a f*ck whether he came in yesterday or last year, as long as he understand the job and can do it better than me, i have no reasons for not being having to have a competent boss…
you like incompetent bosses???
There are many people who have not done any univ yet are just genius and i don’t mind to be working under these people when i have to. daddies and mommies or whatever has nothing to do with competency of a person, neither does winning a scholarship means somebody is idiot.. if he is… don’t blame the scholarship system.. blame how the HSC system works… pffft its sad that you don’t know till now what exactly is the bump :p
*feeling sleepy, haven’t slept while camping yesterday*
Told ya, you read too much in between the lines…
By winning a scholarship, you get your freedom, to learn at the place you feel most comfortable at, you are at rest when you think that the financial side is backed up by the state and you get more opportunities out of country [working experience].
Yes, working in a comfortable environment is the key for a brain to work more efficiently… :p if the guy got a scholarship and liked uom, then he can as much stay.
As scholarship is here as an INCENTIVE for someone to learn more [or pass through the system pffft]
Fortunately for me, i am never the king of the day :p kings are just soo minor pieces you don’t think big enough :p.
God save your brain :p
if you had found nothing tangible, you should have taken every paragraph bit by bit and negate it :p bofff… if you prefer to say you found nothing tangible :p no worries don’t touch. LMAO
How am i supposed to reply you that when all this while i have been shouting it out that it is the educational system which is flawed…
this large intake IS bad UNLESS you make it a pyramidal system. That’s as you go more above, you must be willing to have people dropping out/failing. But you seem to be the type of guy who keeps saying everyone should have a degree.. its not a cake you know.
Same for scholarships… scholarship is the best incentive system ever, but the way we rate student is wrong, we are rating them mostly based on parrot learning, and not real thinking! Its your educational system and corruption that is helping “the rich to rule over”, its not the fault of the scholarship system.
If like you are saying “the Prime minister position is BAD” because all the ministers that comes are “bad”. But its not the fault of that prime ministerial position! This is the fault of lack of education among people and their stance to use the racism a lot during the day of election.
So its a foolish way of thinking!
LOL, so now you say education isn’t free in mauritius??
Do you know what are the real cost for a non Mauritian citizen to study in UoM?
Do you know that high schools are paid in many places of the world?
Where the heck do you see education being non free in mauritius???
Rs.18k yearly?
I think you better find out what exactly how many fees are for a semester in universities around the world.
Rs.18k yearly are mostly fees for processing your documents, sports fees, union, and registration. [They just raised it a bit and increment intakes just to run the univ properly, because the government decided to take more people in but yet couldn’t give enough money in the budget for the univ.
One day, read the receipts you get when you register at uom, you’ll realize what you are paying for.
I wonder why, but your level of answering specially with the postfixed “dude” seem like an hsc or form 5 level guy…
When you subdise rice for example, when you buy rice, you pay for “rice” rice which is at a smaller price, but at the end of the day, you are paying for the product, i.e rice.
But when you pay, for example a univ like uom and you are not a part timer, are you charged for the modules you take? Are you charged for which classes you can go? Nope, you are charged for mostly extracurricular activities, securities [first aid], and a registration fee that the univ uses to supposedly keep the univ good looking…
now the education part or be more realistic, modules have never been place in the receipts.. as far as i know, you don’t pay for those, anything related to the learning part is free :p.
Its like you are buying a GNU/Linux CD from a friend, the GNU/Linux system is still free, you are not buying the software’s right, you are paying for the price of the media!
Hmm.. but don’t you find it unfair that we all pay for ministers to be seated properly, have sexy cars, have escorts, have amusement, have lots of traveling tickets etc..???
The way you are saying it, is like you have no notion of what business is, if you wished for a system where 10 people contributes Rs.1 each to buy a Rs.10 pen for atleast 1 of those ten to have something to write with, then, those 9 persons better not say its unfair, because otherwise, if you wanted to get your money as soon as you placed it in a bet, then you should know its not possible! We will never achieve anything and the money will be stagnant
*sleepy, more later on*
ps. ignore grammatical mistakes for this one, and still stoned and tired today
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I don’t see where that is a problem when in the end they’ll have to refund back the money after some years of work [if it happen that they don’t wish to come back?). Since then you’ll have 1 more mauritian out in the wild doing free advertising for your country, secondly your money back.
Even if they do come back, its not as if their knowledge will have any huge gap between those that stayed behind. Probably you don’t know, but no one is irreplaceable, even if they come [ignoring the political corruption here], there is a high chance that they ‘gagne zot mari’ dans travay, between, truthfully, there’s a huge difference between learning things by heart and creating things out of what you’ve learnt and applying it. Many can’t do that.
Think of scholarship as incentives… nothing else.
Sincerely, if everyone gets same thing for varying number of efforts, those who works a lot might just one day say its not worth it, since in the end everyone gets the same thing, just give up. Its like owning an Mercedes, or a ferrari, if everyone had one, I personally would not have wanted it. When you work for something you need to be rewarded for it.
Else, you’ll be encouraged to “gratte graine”.
:p According to you, what is “being intelligent”?
If i was a university, I’d prefer to have smart, brainy and wise people with vision to do research.. and I’d try to avoid intelligent people as far as i can.
The country doesn’t, but the population will be the first to acclaim him/her.
The following might sound a bit racial, but i wish to say it out :p,
La plipart malbar ou lascar some years ago ti pou dir “ki sana pou prend compte 1 nation kuma bruno julie”, get zordi, mo truve sa bann meme dimoune la p mari fat bruno julie. So you see, people will never accept you until you make something out of yourself, and when this happens, then you suddenly become “a mauritian”!
Parey koumsa meme, here everyone are throwing stones at laureates, when its not the fault of those peeps at all. After all, its a flawed educational system that placed them there, yet you claim the scholarship system is bad, but one day if that hsc system is fixed and repaired, you’ll be among the first persons to say that the scholarship system is truly wonderful.
Furthermore, can u prefer the happiness of 4000 students who have passed their hsc and would b damn “relieved” to have university to go without paying anything..to happiness of 25 guys who even dont bother about us who are paying their studies.
‘about us’, do you even pay taxes???
These people have parents who also do pay taxes i believe, so they are equally apt at using this money.
The 4000 students you say also have free education. A shitty university probably will make you pay Rs.300,000 yearly.
What you don’t understand is that 4000 students can’t all do univ, you need to have the potential [and there are people with the potential that aren’t even allowed in because of that crappy hsc system].
There should be an entry level exam and tough exams where they are massive failures. Mauritius is a small country, scholarship money is just peanuts, that money injected in the univ will still not be able to provide free education for the whole 4000 students and “make it such as everyone should pass”. The way the government sees thing, everyone must have a degree, but this is utter bullshit. If you don’t intend to make people fail you can’t have a totally penniless entry at univ.
The alternate solution would be to have entry exams.
How does not paying scholarship be a barrier to helping poor students??
According to my point of view, scholarship system is here to help poor people, its just that the educational system favors the rich, pffft, your logic is really bad, you should concentrate on reforming for educational system rather than spoil something which is really bad.
:p Your corruption system forces them to not come back…
Put in a box on the street and ask people to vote whether laureates should really come back considering the way people are recruited here.
I don’t see where the problem is since we can easily have a clause that says they need to refund back the money after X years of studies.
I don’t see why you are soo hell bent at getting money to “save the poor”… hell this sounds so hypocrite and politician like… gimme one good plan that will make proper use of that money to save the poor!
And please don’t tell me to feed and feed everyone, that’s like the stuff about “give a hungry man 1 fish today, he’ll come back tomorrow asking for more fish, teach him how to fish, and he’ll be able to feed himself.”
There is already refunds done when it comes to fees registration of uom, there is already business loans available for business start ups, there are free courses and seminars provided by the government to help those who wants to learn some skills. The infrastructure is here, but the way it is working is wrong, spend some time perfecting what you already have instead of breaking and re building the whole thing! You just keep on shouting fire fire fire, rather than trying to extinguish it.
The first persons who will contribute will be the poor ones who have a bright son/daughter studying at school.
=) i think you don’t understand how the educational system here is bad….
in those universities many a times you don’t get a scholarship even if you may have the best of results, what you participate in after school, the second life that you have, the experience you’ve had, your interests, your passions, roles you have played in your society, means you’ve had to accomplished what you have and inventions you’ve made, all this sums up to some amount of marks which is then compared and it is after that, that you are given a scholarship. Not by some mere counts of hsc marks!!!!
That is why those people who you give scholarship here will never mostof the time get a scholarship out from most universities. We need to reform our educational system, then you’ll see how we can afford giving scholarship and we will also reduce the load since other students will be able to win scholarships from other univ as well.
They won’t change the educational sytem to the perfect way, because they know they’ll be the one losing.
This is rare =). According to me, the educational system itself is wrong, and it favors hard disks kind of persons rather than processor kinds of person … but then, you may think whatever you want =). This is not going to change my point of view about laureates .. most of those are still hard disks races :p instead of processors or hybrids.
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@Selven : lol, you have exceeded the maximum number of comments for a month.
Chat wiz u later…
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“my friend, money doesn’t come out of thin air.”
my friend, why should 25 students get rs150millions for studies and 10k students get only rs400millions, thats neither QUAL nor JUSTICE.
“Secondly, if this were to be free or easily affordable, you know what would have happened [if no, then read my previous post again :p]”
You are taking urself for nostradamus ? lolz..hihi.. u r just giving ur suggestion ..on a scale of probabilities what you are saying is not bound to happen!!
“So we should still be offering food, copybooks and pencils to students?”
Some students really dont have the money for buying those. Go and have a look around case noyal, valle pitot, roche bois, st croix, cite barkley, trefles, camp firinga, caro laliane, caro calyptus, batterie casser, grande riviere, ti riviere, bambous, should i continue.. ???
“many parents don’t care about their child, and it is in such cases that shit happens.”
some parents i have known give their children bread and water .. and the parents dont have anything to eat near the end of the month. Still they strive for their kids, they work as maids and all!!.. [re-read ma previous posts!!:P]
“secondly note that scholarships are a great incentive for some people to learn.. [even if it is the wrong way, but it is due to the system.]. ”
2 points i want to make myself clear, i am against the current, but not only, i will explain later…
Incentive can be given to thousands instead of a few 200 who really compete and have a chance to bag the laureat title
“it is as if you are saying “everyone should be the prime miniter of mauritius”!”
Exactly :))) ther you get my point, i am not against a system whereby the power is given to everyone, with a strong use of IT, like IT in all houses, referendums could be done at leisure and whenever there are important issues, the population is asked for guidance :)) That’s the world of tomorow for me, and tomorow is at our doorsteps :))
“you don’t use the net very often do you? d00d :p”
Indeed, that’s why i have my own blog 😛 http://ashfaqblog.blogspot.com 😛 lolzz
“LOL… you yourself shot yourself in the foot…if you said the exam is stupid, then you are saying the educational system is stupid, which means, it has no link with the “scholarship system”, the scholarship system is the rewarding part… the education system is the part on which the reward is being allocated… which is 2 different things.”
You seeing only one side of the bottle.. try it a 3D view 😉 LMAO haha ..
Neways, here’s what i think, i wont extrapolate on that though, What if you replace HSC by IB ?? we change th system which you are soo much against, GREAT !! [I am for IB instead of HSC btw]…soo ??what happens ?? the rewarding system is still the same !! and we are still stuck with the fact that U want to give 25 persons rs150millions and rs400millions to 10k, which is NOT JUSTICE !!
“USING your assumption that MOST laureates hail from Rich families,
We deduce that Laureates are the one who’s parents has been paying more taxes than the others…”
Do you what tax incentives are ?? well most rich guys in Mauritius.. get tax incentives as well as tax free cars and all..
“they are the future of this country, its our duty to invest on them.”
Aint the 10k uomites the “real” future of mauritius… ?
“i have been shouting it out that it is the educational system which is flawed… ”
Everything is flawed, inclduing the Scholarship system..
“If like you are saying “the Prime minister position is BAD” because all the ministers that comes are “bad”. But its not the fault of that prime ministerial position! This is the fault of lack of education among people and their stance to use the racism a lot during the day of election.”
Don’t tell me you really think that the ministers act by themselves !! lolz.. LMAO.. they are all the prime minister’s choices to be on the electoral list !! .. it’s not the people’s choice.. they are elected yeeessh !! but it is the prime minister who put them on the electoral list at first.. soo.. if they are “BAD”, it is his fault since he choosed them.. .i wont mention names, but ther’s a guy not even having form 4, but he got loads of money, so he bought himself a place on the electoral list.. and don’t tell me it was not the prime minister’s choice to put him there.. !!!! LMAO.. u trying to fool the world ?? hahhaha or mite be sommeil la sa ! lolzz
“Rs.18k yearly are mostly fees for processing your documents, sports fees, union, and registration.”
UoM uses rs800000 for processing of documents, this is public figure from 2 weeks ago, which is why they are cutting down paperworks and all.. processing of documents whoever are done by the administration.. brb on that..
sports fees.. have a look at the sports equipment and maintenance !! .. not more than rs1million in the total budget of rs400millions !!
registration is paid already and completely.. and even those not admitted at university pay more than needed for processing documents.. around rs1000 !!
Students of engineering pay around rs3000 for lab facilities.. and they dont get any materials for that price, just the use of equipments dating 20 years back !!
“I wonder why, but your level of answering specially with the postfixed “dude” seem like an hsc or form 5 level guy…”
i take that as personal attack !! .. it has nothing to do with the topic !! furthermore, does a word show the personality of someone?? this shall then have told mauritian loads about the language of our PMs..Leve Paker Aller.. si nek mwa mo B*** difer dans port louis.. or nation pane faire pou travail dans biro !! ..some examples of our PMs.. which are forgotten at election times..
“is like you have no notion of what business is,”
Business and trade and watever having to do with economy.. are mostly based on philosophies brought forward by american gurus and now seeing their economy and trade and business notions and what is happening, i can happily say that i dont agree with what U think as businesss.. since it is a system that doesnt work :))
ok thats all for now going to see the chateau du reduit now 😛 lolzzz
“I don’t see where that is a problem when in the end they’ll have to refund back the money after some years of work [if it happen that they don’t wish to come back?). Since then you’ll have 1 more mauritian out in the wild doing free advertising for your country, secondly your money back.”
Normally when they vanish in europe, u dont get a pence back.
Secondly, rs150millions more on our budget deficit to europe..
thirdly, “but no one is irreplaceable, even if they come [ignoring the political corruption here], there is a high chance that they ‘gagne zot mari’ dans travay,” aint a reason for giving them the money .. !!!
“same thing for varying number of efforts, those who works a lot might just one day say its not worth it, ”
Someone having a first class and a third class degree wont have the same jobs.. !! .. that’s where you can differentiate them.
Neways, i am still thinking HSC is a too futile examination to bet the STATE’s money on anyone.
Again, i am not saying that they should not be rewarded, all i am saying is that rs150millions for 25 students is wayyy tooo much . . firstly, it gives a low image that the mauritians have of their tertiary institutions to foreigners.
Secondly, wherever the laureat goes to study, in the end.. the state does not take any profit from it.
EXCEPT with sinatambou !! ..
Intelligent my friend is to be able to master ur field..since u said “according to me” and that’s according to me! .
“The country doesn’t, but the population will be the first to acclaim him/her.”
Acclaim someone whose done something in the academic field.. !! .. let me laugh !! .. a moins prix nobel lolzz.!! :S
“people will never accept you until you make something out of yourself,”
How much did the state give this man for his preparations and all ?? peanuts !! compared to the 1 year a laureat gets… and see wat this man has achieved.. has any laureat shine on the world scene like this before.. since the times bursaries are given.. let alone millions .. billions have been spent on them.. NOT A SH*T from any of the sooo called laureats !!
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“What you don’t understand is that 4000 students can’t all do univ, you need to have the potential ”
WHO are U to say they dont have the potential ????
Knowing that OUR HSC is much more competitive than the UK one .. i would suppose the students passing on BORDERLINE in mauritius who surely have satisfactory results in UK .. thus i strongly doubt ur HYPOTHESIS within which they are NOT CAPABLE ENOUGH to register at university !! .. which is sooo stupid knowing that the trend nowwadays is for 2nd degrees in USA [AROUND 30% who have first degree, have a 2nd degree].. and even 3rd degreess..!!
Or should we prolly follow india and send our hsc graduates to count cows or become Accounting clerks.. !! which is very NEEDED in GOVERNMENT ! thers soooo much to count !! ..
“here should be an entry level exam and tough exams where they are massive failures. ”
The rate of failure was long ago decided by the government what it is today…. enfin, same for licence exams, whereby thers a number of persons who are allowed to pass, else ther would b too many cars on the roads of mauritius.. !!
Same for HSC graduates.. they are failed.. else ther would be tooo many hsc holders.. and not enough jobs on the markets for them !! thats what U want ??
“scholarship money is just peanuts, ”
rs150 million is PEANUTS .. knowing that GOVT took back rs90 millions from HSC SUBSIDY .. because it was UNABLE TO SUBSIDISE that anymore !! .. stop talking nonsense.. !! .. rs150 millions is around 10% of the education BUDGET !!! ..
“How does not paying scholarship be a barrier to helping poor students??”
Utterly pointless question again !! .. with rs150millions.. you know how many students you can help..?? around 10k.. and out of that mite be only quarter needs help.. meaning .. more money can be invested for WORLD CLASS EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES IN MAURITIUS ITSELF !!..
“gimme one good plan that will make proper use of that money to save the poor!”
My plan, setup entrepreneurial short courses for persons of camp firinga, caro calyptis, batterie casser, trefles, camp yoloff and valles des pretres. While providing kindergarten facilities for the children while the parents follow upgrade short courses in whatever field they work, even macon, plombier and watever..
Give the children food at school in regions like valle pitot and caro calyptis and camp yoloff where there are no ZEP schools..
Provide those persons with allocations for clothes for their children upon good care to their children approved by securiter social officers.. “it was heartbreaking to see a group of 3 children..all without clothes in front of a slum house near venus, 1 of the children was eating cement on the floor !!!! ”
Mauritius’s education don’t bring persons to invent things but to maintain the things that have already been invented!..
Neways, whatever you invent, your market is only 1 million persons.. autant dire WORTHLESS!!!..
That’s all from me, you won’t change my point of view, with your utterly pointless arguments 😛 ..
TOO MUCH MONEY IS BEING DUMPED ON THOSE PERSONS WHO WONT COME BACK WHATEVER YOU MITE SAY!!!
Ashfaq
Prince of Port Louis
P.S : Dunno wats wrong with your website!!.. it’s not publishing.. pheeww
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@All : I am getting some hosting issues since the last days, the server is very slow.
I am thinking to change hosting provider within the next days, so please bear with me.
Thanks again for your support.
ps: I have mailed both Selven n Ashfaq.
As from now, any further comment between my 2 dear readers will be sent through their personal email addresses.
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Cool, next time in the olympics you should ask yourself why should we award 1 person 1 gold medal when we can give everyone a bronze medal?
one doesn’t need to be nostradamus to predict abuse on systems without checking who gets in.
When they have satellite at home?
Still offering stationery doesn’t even affect the scholarship system.
Its only after studies by the unicef that food programmes was canceled.
In such cases the society they are in should help.
I had some friends who couldn’t buy books and all near where i live, my dad used to buy their books and pay their exams. Its all a matter how your environment helps you.
Yes in such cases, the government must provide some helps, but if you think about it, imagine how many will abuse that system… how many will just profit from that to just do nothing. If we managed to isolate a few needy families, fed em and give books, still the scholarship system isn’t affected.
I guess that’s one thing i can be in phase with you, been my type of dream society since a while. But then, you still need a figure to represent you in protocols :p.
yup checked that.. you should learn to use some nice themes :p and remember that overflowing contents on the page will likely make your page slow to load :p.
Told you, you don’t seem to have been on the net long enough :p blogspot is kind of new stuff.
Still then, classical method of examining people DOES NOT work =) you need something better that can really test somebody with lots of practicals and mixtures of knowledge based on lesser things to remember, and more things to process and understand.
WHAT THE HECK are you talking about!
I am talking about the way people vote and you casually diverted the conversation to how candidates gets to be in a party! I am talking about people choices here, about how they vote! Lmao, i am having serious doubts whether you can really read and understand… :s
Your idea of “most” is really eird.. it seems to mean the other way round.
I think you really don’t know how to read and understand…
if you read my whole paragraph on this, you will realize that i meant the whole student body globally.. for your information:
“Secondly, if you say the individual himself hasn’t paid any tax coz he is a student, then so are the rest of the students? so what, we reject then? they are the future of this country, its our duty to invest on them.”
Severe abuse by the system, which needs to be investigated by the icac [truely there are abuse].
I was half expecting you to point this out… do you realize how much saving we make if they stop this corruption at uom, there’ll even be a surplus of money :p mais kot sa al affectE system scholarship? it makes it even better :p.
Indeed, Engineering students have been complaining a lot about those lately, thank god, most of the labs have got some better materials. Atleast as far of the computer labs are concerned. Yes, there’s a blackhole somewhere in uom, you wish to feed that black hole by cutting money form the scholarship system and invest in that?
Which is the whole reason why i always wanted that clause to be made strict in the law.
Suits you, coz i might also have taken “dude” as a personal offense considering that i don’t like people am not close friend with to call me “dude” as if they know me.
..because everyone seems to ignore the root of the problem… it is the educational system :p…
It sure is a reason to give them that money :p they fairly beated you at playing a game you set [a flawed examination system], they won the prize, it is unethical not to give it :p if you didn’t want it, you could have done that same amount of effort and refuse to use that money and refuse that someone else also use that money… faut pas etre mauvais joueur =)
hahahahahaha, you have not yet been on the working environment yet i believe!
Someone with a 3rd class can easily get a better job compared to a 1st class person, if he is good in what he does. When you are out in the wild, those results don’t count at all!
I personally know people who have an msc but yet are doing the same job that a BSC person is doing.
I also know a lot of cases where first class students are working the same job and getting the same pay as 3rd class people.
What makes you get a better position at work is your attitude and experience… and “laguel”.
Dans uom ena un peu laureat au faite… p travay comme lecturers.
Two people, lazy john and smart joe. both are programmers. smart joe invented a damned great social utility which can connect thousands of people world wide. lazy john saw that, he copied it and marketed it under his name… lazy john made millions.
Did lazy john master his field? Nope
Is lazy john intelligent? Yes
Do i hate lazy john? Yes.
Do these things happen in real life? A lot!
a moins prix nobel, pulitzer, turing award, Abel, tyler, pritzker etc… OR someone making a global invention that radically change your life!
people can really acclaim someone in the academic field, you are underestimating it.
Yes, again, this is a flaw due to the educational system, was it perfect, he would have won a scholarship =)
I never even thought about it! it was just an example.
who am i?
I am selven, and i just know many don’t have the potential, you don’t believe me, i don’t give a damned, but still, our learning system is based on “parrot learning”, whatever the case, we need to do an entry exams for univ :p then we’ll find out whether they have the potential or not.
And again it seems you are pissed off while typing hence you are skipping parts what i wrote, i said “What you don’t understand is that 4000 students can’t all do univ
can’t all means = not everyone out of these 4000 students, they way you say it, it seems like you are implying that i said all those who are not a laureates don’t have potential! LOL. If you did think of that, you really don’t know me.
Bullshit! Secondly, neither is the UK system perfect. Why do i say the educational system is not perfect, check out the geniuses that came around during the past 300 years, most who really left a mark in society were the one that had trouble with the education system.
Actually, that’s how things are… :s they tend to set a rate at how many should “pass” .. free info for you sa.
Which is really wrong, the exam should be really tough not based on parrot learning and hence will be a neutral way of assessing people.
And it will be then that your certs will be worth anything.
which is still peanuts… globally, consider how many is injected in the education budget.. not much! see the global view :p duh!
Sure, invest that, and soon you’ll be noticing it is not enough, another black hole just appeared, better find out where money is leaking instead of starting to cut down on scholarship.. which is the perfect incentive system.
And this will cost Rs.150M?
May i say you don’t have any vision! Most people think like that, and i hate that type of tihnking, since this encourage a world to remain stagnant.
infinite lack of vision!
LOL, childish as always =).
Never posted to change your point of view, that has never been the case for any debate, but to express more and find more about the other side =).
You did brought out some nice point, but ultimately you didn’t know how to develop it, since you kind of feared it will coincide with my school of thoughts … i suppose its because you thought it was a flame 🙂
omg, you shout too much :p.
MITE i don’t see any mites lying around :p
@ yashvin: There’s been some downtimes for my host also for today, i wonder whether the problem was local?
With this, i close the discussion =)
+$3|v3n
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i think the main problem is not whether they deserve it or not .what the problem is ,when the laureate is signing the bond.he is already dishonest if he is thinking of not returning.when we pay ttaxes,irrespective of whether its my dad or your dad.the aim of the tax is to better our country and the lives of those within it .while it is true that the money abroad is more ,it is highly unethical and immoral to cheat the people who has supported you all along.sadly enough,it is not just the laureates who are to be blamed for the sad state of affairs.it is the government who is also party to the crime .They should increase the 500 000rs to a new amount ,like 5000 000rs fr instance.
secondly we are a developing country.what would serve us better is to have a similar system to harvard where the scholarship is based on need .so if ur dad can pay 40%,then let him pay.
but i was recently told abt something which may or may not be true.aprently in air mauritius ,if ur caste if baboojee or maraz,u get promotions easily.can u believe it ?and our government is talking of equal opportunities bill. it is time people get work on merit ,so that our counry can move frm a 3rd world country to a first world country.singapore has done it and we can do it .we just need better leaders
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since discussing with prince of portlouis is over :p
Now that’s good reasoning, indeed you are right. Which is why the clause for them to return back all the money at a given time if they are not back in say 5 years, they must return it all, else get kicked to jail.
secondly we are a developing country.what would serve us better is to have a similar system to harvard where the scholarship is based on need .so if ur dad can pay 40%,then let him pay.
Am in favor of such a system, pffft, unfortunately, those f*cks sitting at the government just don’t have any clue of what to do with their entire 5 years at their ministerial position other than just doing massive manipulations.
I live near the airport, i can confirm its true :p, many of my friends works there. C’est un endroit pourri pourri pourri! On top of it :p its not the place to send your gf to work at! hahahahaha 1 deuxieme infinity sa!
Government manipulations as always :p which is why i always say, politics is something dirty.
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“ask yourself why should we award 1 person 1 gold medal when we can give everyone a bronze medal?”
Don’t expect me to reply to nonsense !
“one doesn’t need to be nostradamus to predict abuse on systems ”
Still, ur hypothesis is only a guess.. nothing based on facts ! Thus utterly pointless.
“When they have satellite at home?”
you are probably talking for urself, the guys in the slums got satellite on their houses, because it is rs489 and u dont pay two months, and the satellite is free, soo even after 2 months they resign the agreement, their satellite dish remain with them!!!
Doesn’t mean they actually HAVE satellite !!..
“In such cases the society they are in should help.”
Thats OUR society, MAURITIAN SOCIETY, or do u mean another “society”, the society i am talking about, involves the state reducing the amount of money given to laureats scholarship and give to poor people.
Still it wouldnt be EQUAL for everyone and you again be against it.. so, in anyways you are against helping the poor
“my dad used to buy their books and pay their exams.”
Nice to let us know how generous and rich your dad is, we are very happy about it.
“If we managed to isolate a few needy families,”
They are isolated enough.
“you don’t seem to have been on the net long enough :p blogspot is kind of new stuff.”
I love having my blog being slow to load :)) it is soo much pleasurable for me.
I love having overflowing contents on ma blog, that’s my style, and i guess it’s kind of unique 😛
AND AND AND .. i was on skyblog long ago, it became skyrock, longer time ago i was on yahoo personal pages, which was kinda Sh*ty, and iv been also on freewebs and thers more, soo wont bother writing everything here..
“Still then, classical method of examining people DOES NOT work =) you need something better”
😛 have your go !!.. i proposed IB as alternative, you proposing what ?? or you are here only to criticise ideas ??
“I am talking about people choices here, about how they vote! Lmao, i am having serious doubts whether you can really read and understand”
You got that habit of staying on the surface, while i like diving into the matter.
The people’s choice can or cannot be the persons on the electoral, but then, do they have the choice, disons, i love someone called X but the person is on electoral list of another electoral are, i cant vote for her!
Another example, theirs someone i damn like who has just joined party X or Y, but party X or Y dont want to put her on electoral list, then, how will i vote for her ???
“so what, we reject then? they are the future of this country, its our duty to invest on them”
We should stop giving laureats big money and invest in students to do studies locally.
“…mais kot sa al affectE system scholarship? it makes it even better ”
Read well and the whole paragraph, i said that the money WE pay for University is not PEANUTS(according to U) since the facilities we are getting don’t value more than that!!!
“most of the labs have got some better materials.”
weps, they replaced some computers by core 2 duo!!, but increasing the student population by 2, the facilities are the same, it is not about upgrading, it should have been about doubling the facilities !!
“. Yes, there’s a blackhole somewhere in uom, you wish to feed that black hole by cutting money form the scholarship system and invest in that”
I would prefer feed that blackhole and know that atleast half of the money would used for something utterly more efficient than student meals and students partying in the 4 corners of europe !! ..
“Which is the whole reason why i always wanted that clause to be made strict in the law.”
Yea?? really ?? HAHA .. let me laugh, you’ve been playing devil’s advocate since 1 week!! whatever the law decides when someone goes to europe, specially mauritians, theirs a chance like in 1 million to trace him back if he wants to hide, and neways, rs500000 is such a small amount in UK specially, they work blackmarket part time 1year and half, and they repay completlly the clause !! whereby STATE invested not rs500k but rs5000k or maybe even more !!
“i might also have taken “dude” as a personal offense”
Alrite be happy and take it as a personal offense 😛 DUDE:P
” i can happily say that i dont agree with what U think as businesss.. since it is a system that doesnt work :))
..[[[because everyone seems to ignore the root of the problem… it is the educational system :p…]]] UR ANSWER”
LMAO !!! HAHAHHAHAHHA LOLZ pheeeww.. if only stupidity could kill, i was talking business and the subprime crisis and recession in US !! AND u relating that to EDUCATION.. OMFG.. hahaha
“you set [a flawed examination system]”
hello!!! i am not the root of ur evils !! i am not CAMBRIDGE!!! pheeeeww
“Someone with a 3rd class can easily get a better job compared to a 1st class person, if he is good in what he does.”
yea, he should ACTUALLY work to prove his worthiness yea ?? soo.. who would at first time be accepted for the job ??
since the manager, he hasnt seen any of the 2 work ! .. OR DO THEY WORK FOR FREE and SEE WHOO IS BETTER ??
I have been on the work market BUT your argument is soo stupid that even someone not on the work market would reply that to U
“I personally know people who have an msc but yet are doing the same job that a BSC person is doing.”
I know people have Msc doing technicians job 😛 READ MA PREVIOUS POSTS … I ALREADY MENTIONED THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS TAKING THE COMPETITION FROM HSC AND PUTTING IT TO UNIVERSITY LEVEL, WHEREBY MOST PERSONS ARE ADMITTED TO UNIVERSITY [UOM] and THAT IT HAS ALSO BEEN THE CASE , WHEN MORE COLLEGES WERE BUILT AND COMPETITION TAKEN FROM SC TO HSC .
THATS WHERE I MENTIONED THAT LONGTEMPS DIMUNES GAGNE TRAVAIL EK SC AND SINCE SOME YEARS WITH HSC, AND NOW BSC IS BECOMING THE NORM TO HAVE A JOB, THUS THEY ARE JUST GIVING JOBS THAT PERSONS WERE DOING LONG AGO WITH SC , TO HSC HOLDERS, NOW TO BSC HOLDERS, AND SOON TO MSC HOLDERS and IT GOES ON !!!! written that in uppercase so that u can read it thoroughly well this time !!
i am sorry , but i cannot type again things i have already said, you are just turning around the pot!!!, without much newer arguments!!! you don’t seem to know what to add more else coming back to things i have already answered you
“Is lazy john intelligent? ”
you asked me to give my definition of intelligent, i gave u.. fair enough.. as i said it is the one who masters a particular field who is called intelligent, you shall remember i didnt mention which field, lazy john would be intelligent in the field of thieves/copycats.. things like that, neways i think in english they have a particular word for that, i do not have the time nor the needs to search for such words, mite be u do !! ..
“people can really acclaim someone in the academic field, you are underestimating it.”
Billions lost on laureats, what is the bilan ?? any pulitzer, nobel , global invention ?? 😉 i will give u as much time as u want to reply me that !!
“he would have won a scholarship =)”
a scholarship in sports, why not, that’s an idea.
“check out the geniuses that came around during the past 300 years,”
Do geniuses really need to go to college and university ?? :S … i dont have an answer to that !!
“they tend to set a rate at how many should “pass” .. free info for you sa.”
i already pointed it out !!! fouf !!
“lobally, consider how many is injected in the education budget.. not much! ”
Alrite global view now !! Education eats around 10-15% of annual budgets !! .. heeyy i am not here for giving u all infos, do ur homeworks before talking any bullshit !!
“And this will cost Rs.150M?”
moreorless.. it can be coupled to the social welfare ministry’s budget !!
I atleast gave my plan of what can be done, instead of criticising all along without giving any alternatives except change the current system, then wat ?? children in l’endroit defavoriser will be able to go to school ?? coz they learn things instead of parrot learning!! BULLSHIT …
our market is only 1 million persons.. autant dire WORTHLESS!!!..
“”infinite lack of vision!”” UR COMMENTS
as our PM said, put ur mouth where your money is, is that, MAURITIUS !!! that’s what i do and u got only 1 million persons here…
“Never posted to change your point of view, “‘
ur debating for nothing then !! .. i am debating to make you understand that their is more that can be done with the laureats scholarship’s money.
here’s my reply :))
enjoy 😛
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@Ashfaq: Thanks for ur reply.
So, I believe this is the last reply from you too, Selven has already said his.
Cheers – lol, n be shorter next time please 😉
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😀 LOL
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@yashvin: 2 more comments and you will scoop a century 😀
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I really don’t see the point of this discussion!! where there will be elites there will be ppl left out!! that’s a fact and it’s everywhere! It might be unfair for some but at the end of the day, if everyone works hardm everyone will be rewarded. It’s soo unfair to say that Mauritius is just some basalt rock btw Ashfaaq! If this is how u feel then u are not a true Mauritian!
This is what I feel and life is not fair as it is… so deal with it and move on and work harder!
Some say reculer pour mieux sauter and i agree!
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Get over it man. they worked hard and got rewarded. be happy for them,and if you can’t, shut up and get a life. do you even know what you’re talking about, brandishing figures and militating against hardworkers? be true to your patriotism claim by being proud that people from your country are getting due appreciation elsewhere. get out of your cocoon of selfishness and see the big picture. are you trying to say that those who work hard and do better than others should vow eternal enslavement to your land? or to you? should they serve you because they did better than you? they don’t owe you a dime buddy. if anything, we should be expressing our gratitude towards their going abroad and letting people know that there exists a teeny-weeny country which does have big, able brains too. if other countries give them much more recognition and reward them for their abilities better, if they can remunerate your friends better, why should they refuse? and why should you wince? much ado about nothing makes one sound like a frustrated non-entity. cheer instead of booing, you’ll feel much better.
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puréééé tes articles ils ont la côte! j’ai du descendre des kilomètres pour pouvoir écrire
alors je sais pas mais jpense que tu peux pas en proposant des bourses obligé les élèves à revenir car d’un côté je sais pas pour eux même à la base c’est une grande opportunité d’aller à l’étranger et ils ont mérité quand même cette bourse vu leur travail. Je pense que libre à eux de choisir…
Mais … d’un côté je comprends pas pourquoi il y en a plein même apparament la majorité qui ne veut pas retourner à Maurice … moi ce que je remarque quand je vais à Maurice, c’est que certains mauriciens ont la facheuse habitude dirais-je (lol ça me fait marrer comment je parle) de mettre l’europe (et surtout l’angleterre) sur un pied d’estale … genre c’est le truc parfait quoi … genre c’est le rêve d’aller la bas et tout et tout … ben franchement il y a pas de quoi … l’europe ça craint aussi!!!
L’île maurice est une jolie petite île avec une astmosphère géniale, il n’y a rien à dire les gens sont si gentils et souriant ça change carrément de l’europe! L’europe les gens sont froids, pas de bonne humeur.
Hmm ok d’accord peut-être qu’on gagne plus d’argent en europe mais ça en fait c’est de l’arnaque je sais pas comment ils se débrouillent pour établir la valeur de la monnaie, mais c’est pas très honête on dirait car comme par hasard le système de change ne profites que à peu de pays, les pays occidentaux biensûr!
Bon je sais pas trop moi pourquoi les gens veulent pas rester à maurice, mais moi jtrouve que maurice c’est génial!
Et justement les mauriciens devraient tous avoir envie d’améliorer la vie la bas, on peut changer les choses quoi, pourquoi fuire quand on peut aider?
Enfin maintenant on a bien la capacité de bougé genre, peut-être que au début ils voudront rester ailleurs, mais à la fin ils vont peut-être revenir à maurice au bout d’un moment.
Enfin bon moi je ne sais pas trop mais ça me tenterai pas mal d’aller travailler à Maurice! Il faut pas toujours chercher à aller dans les pays développer, regardait la Chine comme ils ont progresser … nous les mauriciens on peut faire pareil :p
Mais enfin faut dire que ça dépend de notre point de vue, il y a en a ils pensent que à eux et aller à la fameuse europe, et d’autres qui veulent faire bouger les choses!
Mais t’inquiètes pas je pense qu’il y a quand même des gens qui veulent revenir à maurice, ceux qui ne sont pas super captivé par l’europe, et certains qui en ont bavé en europe!
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why is she writing in French when everyone is conversing in English?
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@Vik : She is not doing this on purpose. She is a French.
If you can’t understand French, do let us know, perhaps we can translate.
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The concept of Tax Payer’s money is completely unknown for most Mauritians since most politicians have lowered tax thresholds so that “middle class” people dont have to pay income tax. Btw, these completely forget about the existence of VAT …
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no i don’t understand french. i would like to know what she wrote there. thnks mate.
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i can understand your frustration on this issue…however in that case i think we should blame the game not the players…i hope our educational system is reformed before we fall further behind..
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A bit late, but I got just two words to say: ‘sour grapes’
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ohh peuple admirable….:P
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Everyone against them are a bunch of jealous ppl who would have done the same thing…Zour la guerre civile eclater dans sa pays la par malchance, mo gueter kot zot patriotisme pou grimper>>>
Hypocrites!!! Tous que vous etes a etre des soi disant patriote…
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@kugs – why would anyone be jealous ? we are damn happy to have gifted people on our island.
But, you should understand the reality of Mauritius.
The times are hard, and the government is each year decreasing the budget of the university of mauritius, decreasing or removing subsidies, bills are rising, people are suffocated with the rise in petrol rise.
We are in a democracy, and everyone should be treated equally.
Rewarded, yes. But treated equally.
I strongly support the minister of education’s plan to make the laureats study at the university of mauritius. This will surely give a higher status to the uom, but not only.
The UoM has already a high status, shall you not know it. The papers of final year are moderated by professors from abroad. And for engineering courses, the papers each year are of very high grade. The moderators themselves acknowledge that the papers of final year at uom, Fac of Engineering are of a higher grade than even those of UK. So, my question to you, what does our university lack for the laureats to go abroad ?
Solution to the problem:
Give them a stipend each month.
Give them free course at UoM.
Give them a gold medal to recognise their efforts
Give them vouchers/gifts/flight tickets for holidays.
All of those will whatever anyone might say, in favor of all students of UoM (more than 8000) if the laureats stay back and the rs125millions invested in the UoM budget.
cheerz..
No1 is jealous,.. it is not patriotism either, but just a matter of providing fair chances to the greatest number than to few who whichever university you put them in, they will still do well.
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That is being unfair to the newer generations when all previous generations of laureates have been able to choose!
pfft, i sincerely do believe most of you people who are siding this so called “everyone should be treated equally” to be damned right hypocrites.
… if everyone was treated equally, then whether you work or your fail, you should always gets 100/100 in exams! that’s bullshit.
Better just make the whole education system in a way where everyone has the same equal start and then the more they manage to work, the more priviledge they get… this is something sane and normal.
in this whole thread, i haven’t seen not even one single logical reasoning that says why a laureate shouldn’t get favors.
Dude, in a system without any form of rewards, people are bound to have no ambitions and no goal, and such a system is bound to die!
All countries have a scholarship system, why the heck do you ppl have to eye what laureates are having??
Pffft.. frannnnnnc tou, vraiem, moris 1 pays kot ena boukou boukou ti lesprit. Ena bez la matelo!
Li vrai ki realitE la li la ki la plipart c bann piti riche ki gagne laureat pli souvent.. mais problem la c pa laureat la.. c la facon nu system ledication etE… repair our education system and leave the reward here!
Don’t try to solve a problem by solving the wrong stuff!
enfin, over times, i was so disgusted by what ppl were blogging about this topic so much that i felt disgusted to post on this again, and i have no idea why am even posting this again, its not as if you’ll ever understand a word at what am trying to say, probably there’ll be one moron or two who will be replying me with some crap which doesn’t even make sense… to which i won’t even care replying.
mais franc tou…. the minister of education putting forward such a thing… can’t you see.. this is just a damned political argument to try to make the population believe that “more power is being given to the poor” what the heck! this is just causing our education system to come to an abrupt halt itself!
+selven
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@selven – you quoted me .. then i am allowed to a reply.
i didn’t say they are putting off the laureat system .. just that they are stopping to send people abroad to study and sending them to uom, where they get the same quality of education if not better.
Do the poor need to have a reward of going abroad to still thrive hard in the competition at high school level ? No. Because, all the poor need is to have a scholarship to going to tertiary level.
Do the rich need to have a reward of going abroad to still thrive hard in the competition at high school level ? No. Because, they already have the money to do so, and if they do compete, it is to top the competition, not to win a university seat abroad.
We should stop that colonized mentality that going to UK to study is such a big achievement, shall you not have noticed, we are in 2009, Mauritius has nothing to envy to UK. Else, may be, its subway.
Mauritius though being considered a 3rd world country, is not. We are just keep that, to enjoy the benefits of 3rd world countries.
In, 4 years max, Mauritius will be a completely developed island. I am not a ptr person, nor man of a party. I support bunwaree’s idea for a fair education system. The change has to start somewhere, it started with the massive construction of schools bring the ratio of teacher to student from around 1:35 to 1:15-20 .
The next step is the building of a new university, an idea which myself thought about years earlier. But my thought was of having it in Port Louis, my hometown.. a bit of dream..
As for making everyone pass, fair educational system does not mean that, it means giving everyone the same chances, meaning the same examination papers and finally it is still the best student who will succeed.
Also, the mentality of sakene proteze so montagne should be banned. No1 owes us Nofing. as JFK said, fink wat u can do for ur country, not wat ur country can do for u. We are a new generation, we have to think differently, not not think that wat our dads’ got,we will have the same priviledge. my dad owes a house in port louis.
You think, TODAY, it will be as easy to buy the same house in Port Louis ?? ofcourse not, times have changed.
We should change with time, because time waits no1.
P.S: nice to read ur words after such a long time mate 😉 always a pleasure 😉
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@ ashfaq,
@ Yashna,
I totally agree with you. Politicians are here to pocket your money, reduce your benefits and still appear like Saints, especially our dear PM…pfff!!!
People here won’t ever change their mentality…they will remain stuck in their racial box and stab each other for the sake of some fake political favors…
Why abolish laureates? Why not try another solution like you said? Rs 10 000 a lunch!!!??? BS!!! If only Mauritians had their eyes where they should be…
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