I will try to be very brief.
For those who haven’t been reading or listening to the news very recently, Mac Donald is planning to open a branch at Phoenix, at some meters only from the Iskcon building (International Society for Krishna Consciousness).
Everything has already been done, the building, the permits, the legal notices. However, a few days back, Iskon just “discovered” about this, and they are now protesting this opening, bringing forward several reasons, a few of them are :
- Mac Donald offers menus including beef while Iskcon devotees (and hindous in general ) pray this animal
- The fast food resto is situated too near to this Iskon bulding and might be cause inconvenience to Iskon and the devotees.
10 years back, Mac Do had to abort the idea of opening a branch there after protestation of Iskcon, once again. Several organisations and persons have expressed themselves on this subject, typically opposing religion/culture against our freedom, as granted by our constitution.
I invite you to express yourself on this subject and tell us who will win at the end? Religion or our Constitution?
Yashvinblogs 
Wai, mo extra envie trouve ça match-la zouer dans la-cour… Lerla nou ava guetter how and where nou bann juges pou ‘draw the line’…
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kuma mo ti meT lor ene lot site.. mo krwra lexpress… dan rose hill kot mosque ena 2 restaurants chinois et zot vane pork. mo pas trouV kifer banla bizin faire ene tas palabre pou mcdo..et pas premiere fois sa . kan mc do ti p ouvert premiere fois ti ena ene rumeur ki zt ti p rode ouvert la bas meme zot
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Reply to yt: It’s definitely impolite and bad if they have been foutant with you at Iskcon resto. Other people too have complained about this. I hope Iskcon authority take this into consideration and train those who work there with good manners.
I personally know many devotees, and the girls who stand at Vacoas. They come from respectable families and they have good educational background. What is more remarkable is that they always give at least a sticker, if not a book most of the time, for even a small donation. I understand your hurt feeling, but to compare this to begging is not fair. This is their service to the temple.
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Hi…moi mo croire bizin fer un apel ouvernment et demand un terrain lor un montagne parla parla pou isCON, pou banla kpav fer zot activiter…..mo pas croire lor montagne pou en restaurant pou ouvert pou dead meat burger….
au lieu zot promote development zot p met baton dan laroue….boug McDo la in investi gros….
laisse mo dire zot ki ena lot resto dan Phoenix les Halles et un gros la brasserie just a coter isCOn, mais sa zot pas ale protester sa……
tou ban saki content manz chips et rounder, ki zot dire ban camarades…..
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If it was for smell, what about Port Louis? Hundreds of smells combined together from various sources: wastes, vehicles, buildings, restaurants, hawkers, etc.. In the same place, there are a lot of religious centers, places, buildings (or whatever you want to call them) which sit tight together and really, no one cared for years about their proximity.
What is wrong imho is the fact that no legal procedures were used but just plain violence against a building and I just question any philosophy/movement who called themselves religious, that use violence in any form to voice out their frustrations. I don’t think this is religion at all in that case.
Many in the thread talked about respect, how would you feel if you had the legal approval to build something and operate as a business, then see your building burn before it is even launched?
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Tou bann dimoune ena droit pour vive. mais bann zanimos ausi ena droit pu zotte vive. La compassion ce enn qualite ki humain bizin posede.si nou pe coz enn pay multiracial. nou bizin ausi considere bann zanimo ki ausi ena droit pu vive. mo pense pass ausi ki nou ena problem de cohabilitation . tou dimoune pe vive bien et sa issue la li pena aucun aucun aquisation contre lezotte comunote. li seulement enn protestation contre mac donalds ki juste pres avec enn temple. sa bizin respecte. pena objection si li ouvert a linteriuere de jumbo.iskcon propage la non violence, la compasion, lamour pour tou le monde.iskcon pas racist. iskcon ce enn society ki dirige beaucoup bann dimoun dans la bonne voix. iskcon ena 4 principes.1. pa prend lalcol avec intoxication.(2) pas gamble.(3) pas engage dans la sexualite illegal.(4) vegetarien. Iskcon croire ki ena enn seule Dieu ki etan le createre de tous le monde. Dieu li papa de tous le monde. Comment eski nou capave content dieu et deteste les autre enfants de dieu. li pa possible.
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well its sounds so spicy to see some people being being tormented for a petty dead animal flesh eaten by jacal like animalistic humans.
Indeed, i bet non of you really knows the facts and just talking out of blue. While speaking distance as one was saying it is not even 100m and for your kind information its 34m!! Some1 was speaking of permit?? well if you could do your homework then you would know that they never advertised for Mc Donald resto but am sure you too ignorant for you to know.
its pity to see how you guys relish this event.
Anyway you are wat you eat so ..
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@kevin – so what if it is 34m ?? In MAURITIAN LAWS, buildings should be separated by 3feet !! which is around 1 metre !! .. pena narier lors 34-50-100metres !! ki to p rode dire ?? bizen mette tou resto 50-100m depi temple ?? ek silvousplait ! bizen less temple la ena resto tout !! xtraordinaire sa ! zamais pane trouver okaine part dans l’ile maurice ki bane place religieux ena business tout !!
Comier sinoi kontan commerce ! zamais pane trouve sinoi ouvert la boutique kotte pagode !! pane trouve lascar ouvert bryani house kotte masjid !! pane trouve hindou ouvert food court dans ganga talao !! .. nek iskcon ki bizen faire food palace dans iskcon !! aber bonom pa pran dimoune pou couyon !! iskcon c zis 1 bizness ki panvi concurrent ek competition .. !!
NAPA BLIER KI MACDONALD VANDE MANZER VEGETARIEN !!!
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The war between good and evil so to say has always existed. In the end it’s always goodness which prevails. Where there is Krishna, there will always be victory. But its a big shame that some people don’t even know the reality of their own country they are living. The ISKCON v/s Mc Donald is not just a legal problem. The outcome of this case will strike at the very root of our society. Mauritius has always been cited as a model of democracy, tolerance and respect for others. This has been possible only because our ancestors have laid a very strong cultural and spiritual foundation. Today this foundation is slowly eroding away. We are rapidly losing our values.The newspapers speak for themselves. The Mauritian society does not need more fast-food for the betterment of its citizen, because in the west fast-food culture has brought so many ills to the western society not only in terms of health but also in terms of people character. You are what you eat says the dictum. Slaughtering animals have significantly contributed to Global warming and the destruction of our planet. One more mac Donald means one step further to our own destruction and to our beautiful planet. At least there are some people who want to preserve our spiritual tradition our values which our forefathers have given us and which we badly need today. It’s not a legal problem as many people tend to think but our own future depends upon what we eat. It’s a question of human survival..
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@Prakash:
“Slaughtering animals have significantly contributed to Global warming and the destruction of our planet.”
Slow down, no, slaughtering animals actually reduces global warming. It’s the industrial scale of their rearing that causes global warming. I will refer you to Richard W. Lacey’s “A Brief History of Food” for enlightenment about how US meat industry’s post-war propaganda actually worked, and how a perfectly wholesome 1 serving of meat/poultry/fish per WEEK was hammered into the minds of the people of that time to force them (and us) to believe in 1 serving per MEAL (the bloody bastards!!!).
Do you remember the guy who exposed his aerial photos on A0 posters at Caudan Waterfront “La Terre VUe du Ciel”? He actually made a documentary about our planet “Home“, and one of its themes was the “usines à viande” in the US: thousands of acres of brown dusty land from afar, the horizon obscrurred by the pink haze of dust/methane, teeming with bulls when given a closer look, fed with monster-lorries pump-spraying them with tons of the best maize available (that guarantees a tender, juicy, and sweet meat) and fresh water (always spiked with an optimum mix of FDA-approved growth hormones, of course) pumped from rivers, that contributes hundreds of times the CO2 that traffic alone generates per day.
Yes Sir, the carbon-footprint of our small farms are light-years behind these meat-factories…
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concerning iskcon and what lies beneath, you need to watch the zeitgeist for more information about this
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torpedo
Thanks for your comments but you did not understand the little bit when I mentioned slaughtering animals has contributed significantly to global warming. I was actually making reference to the ‘usine the viade’ that you are saying. Do you know the whole process that takes place before that burger ends up in your mouth. Do you know how many acres of forests that are being destroyed in order to breed these animals. If you want to know reality just go and see how many acres of forest remains in England. All of them has become breeding ground for cattle. I hope you understand what I mean now.
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Dear Sheran,
I would strongly advise you that instead of watching zeitgeist. Its better that you make any opinion in the future based on your own experience not on hearsays. Religions today so to say has become an economic race. Billions are being poured to destroy your culture, your spiritual identity. Worst your own money and resources and your own people are being used in that process. Just read a little bit of the comments of your own people.
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hi prakash
thanks for your reply first of all. and your advice on my wellbeing, im glad to hear this from someone who seems to care a lot about me but thank you.
you are mixing spirituality and religion which are two completely different things. to tell you about religion and people of ‘my own culture’, ‘culture’ i think is self-defined n each one interprets it based on one’s environment in which one resides. someone can have a spiritual identity and respect and can at the same time pray to our one supreme god, not be religious, but yet be catholic!
my own ppl ? what are you talking about ? you were mixing spirituality and religion and now telling me to read my ppl’s comments n think this is gonna change for the least in my sense of seeing things in this country ? in this world ?
if you do not see what im trying to tell you, then i guess you’re another of the blind bats that err fascism and agree to become a cattle-breed to a new world order who does nothing more than feed the hungry oligarchic bankers
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ISKCON is applying for an injunction against the opening of McDo in its vicinity, so looks like we’re soon going to find out who wins! This promises to be interesting, am looking forward to it!
I dont want to pronounce myself yet, because i dont know all the facts. Though i do wonder how this becomes a battle between religion and the Constitution! Care to enlighten me, anyone?
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@Tam
i agree with @yt. The Iskon ladies under the “magasins” at Vacoas are a real pain. They stop you, they give you something, then ask for money. I find it quite embarassing for me to dodge them everytime.
+ for the Iskon resto, not only they are not polite, they do not respect hygiene regulations either. Also, the resto is between some other non-veg restos.
Anyway, I think that Iskon is more a sect than a religious group.
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ISKCON people are also people. They are Mauritians. They have constitutional rights like everyone else. It is so ironic that in criticising them as intolerant, you are also showing intolerance towards them. Let them take Mc Do to court and see if Mc Do actually followed required constitutional procedures or not. Where’s your problem? I think both of them have chance of winning and who loses will have to accept.
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@Ajay, did you just say “Where’s your problem?”
So, I hate seeing religious communities shouting on the roads while Mac Do has everything legal. The concerned minister announced that everything procedures were respected.
So, if ISKCON are also people, how about the other mauritians? Does ISKCON have more priviledges as other Mauritians? NO!
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Im veg, and Im actually pro-McDo here. Its a way cooler place to hang out, than ISKCON restaurant -_- plus, if iskcon people have resorted to violence, are they really followers of the Gita?
btw, KFC has a way stronger smell than McDo’s… i dont know how that hasnt bothered them for so long >_>
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@Yashvin: No, ISKCON does not have more priviledges than others, but they do they have the same priviledges. The law courts are there for those who feel they have been wronged and ISKCON also has access to them, like we all do. In that sense – I asked what was your problem. You may not like ISKCON protesting and ISKCON may not like you blogging about them but both are legal and both should be tolerated. Thank you.
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@Ajay : My problem? They are protesting against the opening of a resto which has followed every legal procedures. Sorry, but the resto is not the one at fault here, they should be protesting against the constitution, against the government!
btw, they have the right to protest against me blogging this topic. Go on, that will be fun!
@Bhooks : Looking forward to have a big mac, in Phoenix 🙂
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How I long for a quarter pounder. Hope it comes soon @ Phoenix 🙂
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@ Luvnish: Who said that ISKCON resorted to violence? Know your facts before you speak nonsense.
KFC is not even visible from ISKCON.
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Well it seems that McDo followed the correct procedures and Iskcon had the opportunity to place an objection when the legal proposal was printed in the newspapers. Iskcon did not and their objection comes after the fact, so, too bad for them they had their chance.
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@Mike: I live in a residential area. If any development is to be made in my vicinity the law stipulates that it is not enough to put up a notice or to advertise in the newspapers. I must personally receive a notice to which I have 28 days to object to the development. That is my constitutional right as a resident in a residential zone of Mauritius. I think it should have been similar in ISKCON’s case. It is not so easy to comment without knowing all the facts….
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@Prakash:
🙂 Wai, ti pe (essaye) prend nissa ar ou phrase so tournure… Only this, No pun intended.
In any case, industrial manufacturing of everything has spoiled this planet beyond repair – in my opinion: just try to read the end-of-year dissertations made by UoM students of the Faculty of Science/Engineering and you’ll see monstruous things that have already befallen our resources without any reaction/investigation from either the authorities or the NGO’s. It seems (it is in fact glaring) that everyone seems content of the economy without a single thought about the tomorrow that they’ll be leaving for their children.
About meat: weaning yourself off (red) meat may actually be beneficial because of so many risks to your own health Рstomach cancer outbreaks bizarrely coincide with the surge in consumption of red-meat steaks. Mais tank ki marketing sa bann produits-la continuer, mo cwar ki canc̩rologue tousel ki pou contigne gagne la-vie.
About McDo. @Yashvin: @Bhooks:
Eh ou la vouzott: pena enn McDo deza en operation dans Harbour Front building: ki zott pe attann 🙂 ?? Ou bien li’nn fermer?
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@Torpedo: Nissa la pas pu pareille! Fete la victoire du bien lo bane esprits malades 😛
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Hein, ala enn ti cible pou bann pro-McDo attaquer: Allez, ATTAAAAAACK!!
😀
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If you are inclined to be religious, the greatest religious teacher
the world has ever known made the way so plain that all may
follow. If your mental bias is toward physical science, the law will
operate with mathematical certainty. If you are inclined to be
philosophical, Plato or Emerson may be your teacher, but in either
case, you may reach degrees of power to which it is impossible to
assign any limit.
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Maybe ISKON should win . It must be terrible for a vegetarian to look at the kari gropwa and konfitir margoz on his plate , while salivating with thoughts of juicy rounders . This is pure mental torture and we should sympathize with them . Specially as vegetarians have lowered mental strength due to vitamin B12 deficiency .
I definitely prefer dal puri[without gro pwa] to Mac Do and KFC stuffs .Knowing I’m on their side ISKON might serenely consider this : why don’t they counter-fast ,so to speak ,and put some meat on the table once a week . A serving of bull’s liver [make sure it’s not cow’s liver] the size of 4 La Vache Qui Se Marre triangular portions provides enough B12 vit. for a week and taste much better than the artificially fortified food some vegans use to avoid animal source of the vitamin .
For some one who is vegetarian to the core even the fortified food might be a problem . Vitamin B12 wether from animal or vegetable source is actually a microbe . A microbe is , so to speak , a primitive form of animal life .
Well ,finally : no , ISKON should not win . Although I don’t like Mac Do , I’d say if they lose on this issue we all lose . We should not let our way of life , or our degree of free will be determined by fundamentalists from any religion .
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Hi sheran,
Thanks for your comments. Probably you don’t know that the so called blind bats are very intelligent and social creatures. I think you have missed the point I am making and you are completely off-track in your analysis. Put it this way, I am showing you the moon but you are looking at my finger. You will sure missed the glory of the sky.
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So.. Prakash, the Mauritius Batman oO
Can you be more explicit and start justifying because you were simply criticising my comments and not explaining anything to me !! no justifcation being addressed to me, right ? I seriously still did not understand what you meant by not watching the zeitgeist. You are still mixing religion and spirituality. that’s all I could understand by your comment, majorwise. And before you say anything (beyond your own finger), please make sure that you reeeaaad all my comments on the blog, especially fasting, sacrifice, spirituality and religion (which you still have not answered my question on this) the behavioural attitudes of some devotees and their mindsets, etc..
Aller, Go ! Go our Local Finger Batman, Go !! Let’s go see the moon on your Mauritian Batmobile make me see your reason of getting personal!! in my opinion, you seem to be someone if not on the moon, you’re on the sky, jamais sur terre. Réveilles-toi!!
krgds
ps: thank you for your introduction on bats, that was FASCINATING !! =D
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Sagitarius !! dunno what to say
I agree to power of freewill unaffected by ethical decisions.
Utterly Agree!
it’s your point of view and like any other point of view and being scientific by nature, there is reason in what you are saying, not totally however it’s substantial
but as to the B12 deficiency and meat on their table once a week, urrrr…. urrrrr now that was what I’d say “totally in their face” and that’s not nice, bro !
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Dear Sheran,
I am just reading about your comments and I just came around one sentence. That you may not be religious yet be catholic. If you are equating spirituality with catholicism, that is probably you views your standard of spirituality or probably you are seriously mistaken in your analysis. Without being offensive to anyone or to any religious group. If you are speaking about catholicism as meaning the catholic church or its head Quarters in Rome. Then probably you are not much aware of the scandals that has been assoaciated with the catholic church. Firstly Slavery then colonialism, iquisition forced conversion and recently paedophile priests. If that is what spirituality means in your vocabulary, then you would neither understand about the sacredness of animals life, purity of a place of worship which Iscon is claiming nor about my story about the difference between looking at my finger and the moon. Yes for your information I am still on this earth and I am sure that I have seen the world much better than some of you. Unfortunately many of you have equated the world with your tiny island. Like the frog who thought that the world is not bigger than the pond of water. By the way you can only be truly spiritual unless you have a good religious foundation or else you might end up as a paedophile priest.
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McDo 1 – 0 Iskcon
la cour in trancher. McDo capave go ahead, pena aucun raison ki faire li pas capave open.
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I heard that HRHK people do not eat Onions and “l’aile”.
Will they go to court if someone plans to cultivate onions or l’aile around their buildings? :S
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lol
onions and lail are ‘mini’ stimulants.. just like grape juice. sometimes these products are not allowed in certain medications.
One sentence, Bat…Boy, one sentence: so you are getting personal, boy, I think everybody is seeing that. A little knowledge can be very dangerous, blind as you are, so I’ll stop here
Who said catholic is associated with the church ? That’s not necessary. Catholic means universal, associated with all mankind. Which means you can NOT be religious AND yet be catholic (disciplined), e.g. at work, at home, with your family, because discipline and habit development is a crucial part of everything, and that includes religion
so it’s true then: ignorance IS bliss and Rome was not built in a day, just like in religion..
ps: u wear glasses ? cos every insult you are trying to pass to me seems to be associated with vision: frog in a pond, looking stick or finger: tour d’oeil, BatBoy ? HRHK food contains lots of carrots which are good for the eye …
u win, just like mcdo did … c u !!
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‘zwayon ek lay zot bann legim / zot pa reprezant seki nu venere = vas
zwayon ek lay pa fer kul jisan zanimo / kan manz zanimo kone ki jisan ek sufrans kont enn inosan ki ena ant zot jipen
alor fodre pa konpar plantasyon avek zanimo / c.a.d, pa konpan seki imobil ek seki mobil / pa konpar enn zanimo ki donn nesans, ek enn legim ki u plante ‘ By Tahir
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Dear All,
Its not a question of winning or losing.Its just a question of respect for others. Every one is aware that ISKON has been on this land for many years. ISKON had already lodged an objection ten years ago in the same context. As a sign of respect to a religious group, Mac Donald should have desisted from opening an outlet just oposite of ISKON. It is respect for others which has made our country a unique place. Do you think that it would be wise to start a breeding ground for pigs in front of a mosque. Its not a question of garlic or onion or just a legal problem. its simply that we must respect the religious sensitivity of every individual irrespective of what religion that person is following and whether we agree with him or not. we have to make concessions for others.we need to have consideration for others. That has been the Mauritian culture for decades. If Mauritius is unique is not simply that we have an efficient judiciary or that our constituiton guarantees certain rights or because our politician has worked for it. Its more because we have developed a culture of self respect for others which is not found in any book of law. Its something which our forefathers has inculcated in us because of the pain they have endured and which they have painstakingly transmitted to us from one generation to another for the welfare of everyone.It now become our duty to transmit the same values to the new generation.
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Prakash has hit the nail on the head. Mc Do, having already tried to open just behind ISKCON has really not considered the values of the Mauritians by very quietly opening right in front of them. The following article shows how tricky Mc Do has been towards other communities in the US….http://money.howstuffworks.com/mcdonalds5.htm
@Yashvin – to compare onion and garlic to Mother Cow really shows you’re only looking at the finger. Sorry – but you’re miles off.
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@Ajay : “of the Mauritians by very quietly opening right in front of them”
Come on my friend, don’t you know that
1. Official publications were made in newspapers (According to law)
2. A board was put on the location where the resto is opening (According to law)
3. And how can anyone miss a big building under construction, doesn’t anyone notice that the area is developing?
Yet some people say that “They are for development in the region, but people are not respecting their values.”
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nice article up there, revealing mcdo’s power in america n abroad. maybe they are anti-patriotic, who knows? they have the means to buy ppl, which could include anyone from any sector. To open a shop right in front of a religious place would have been something damaging.. worldwide
who’s behind the franchise owner of mcdo in mauritius (not the mcdo manager, he’s a puppet too, appointed and given orders; was any info on the former being published, with all the recent saga going on for years) has he got something against iskcon? what if it turns out to be someone from a hindu background?
and if ajay really cared, he would have approached iskcon with something tangible enuf to fight back.. such as what’s written above. am i wrong here ajay ? for real, get real oO
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@Yashvin: The fact that ISKCON saw the development and did not protest proves they are not against “development”. Did the notice board or newspapers specify “Mc Donald’s”? That’s what I mean about being tricky….
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@Ajay :
1. I can’t confirm if Mac Do was written in the boards or newspapers
2. As respect to law, I don’t think if it makes a difference if the restaurant sells veg salads only or poule/coq or beef.
3. If you believe that Mac Do should have been written (in case it wasn’t), then sorry to tell you, you are on the wrong platform to contest that. You should be lodging a complaint and sue the authorities.
4. Till now, weeks after the first sign of protests appeared, Mac Do has been given the go-ahead from authorities, have everything clear in their mind. HRHK is protesting only on religion-related beliefs, which is not written anywhere in our law.
(On a polite note, can I kindly ask you to write my name correctly. Yashvin, with a “V” not a “W”… I have been correcting every comment of yours as from now. Thanks a lot dude.)
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If ISKCON wins, then all sorts of bigots will start building their shrines within 200m from one another and soon, there will be no place to buy alcohol etc… parksi d’apré zott pou ena symbol “vice” partout. Nou pou fini par vinn enn etat religieux, nek pou ena pou garde 10 kalité linz lor nou pou mette dans 10 kalité l’endroit pou faire 10 kalité bigots content… Ala kott ISKCON so “combat” pe amenn nou. Ala kott bann couma Prakash & co pe rode faire cwar zott “combat” pou amenn nou.
Au nom de la liberté, zott viole NOU liberté.
Au nom liberté d’expression, zott rode empess nou exprimer.
Au nom d’enn hyhpothése (bondié), zott ena conviction ki tous (sauf zott-mem) ki dans erérr.
Pou ça kalité condescence ki zott ena pou ki pas ar zott, mo dire zott:
si ZOTT pas content Dodoland, LEV ZOTT PAKé ALLé!!
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@Yashvin – sorry for name mislpellling.
FYI ISKCON is objecting legally (objecting to authorities etc) – that’s what this whole debate is about isn’t it? Who will win? duh!
Did you read ISKCON’s grounds of injunction for you to comment with so much conviction? Who said that ISKCON is objecting purely on religious grounds? The press? your friends? your mind?
@Sheran: ISKCON has been saying exactly what I am saying above all along….it’s just that those who don’t want to hear don’t hear. Just as those who want to see spots on the moon only see spots and no beauty.
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That finger keeps showing up[…] If when you show the moon to someone you can’t stop staring at your finger ,you end up mistaking street lanterns for the moon .
I think ‘church’ in the article Ajay mentioned means ‘christian church’ .The idea , I think , is to catch customers from people leaving church and is not a sinister anti-religious policy . Still, having Mac Do and ISKCON side by side is an awkward situation .
I was once one of few owners of a copy of Manusmriti in Mauritius .I gave it away after some time but I remember it contained verses which seemed to be in contradiction with ISKCON’s and other people’s teaching that all year round vegan diet is compulsory for hindus. I searched a bit on the web to refresh my memory on that and fell upon a site which affirmed that the Ramayana also contained verses mentioning some quite licit case of meat eating .
One of the things that has always puzzled me in the Manusmriti is the extreme harsh remedial action required to atone for the least ‘sin’. Most of these acts of atonement if executed would result in rapid death .If hindus were to follow hindu religious laws to the letter they would all be dead by now . E.g. for the offending words or attitude of some (Chris ,Prakash) the recommended remedy is to go to the sea ,to walk in the water getting further and further away from the shore and to continue walking when they can’t walk any further . I hope they are not as strict hindus as that .
I have come to the conclusion these days that the purpose of the Manusmriti in edicting such extreme sanctions is to bring devotees to understand that religious laws are guidelines for a better living and not strict laws to be adhered to, to the letter , no matter what may come out of such rigorous conformity .This is as much I can say on that subject . I would not dare get involved in a debate with a pandit but I am quite convinced I’ve got it right .
Meanwhile I still don’t like broad beans, and still prefer roti and dalpuri to Mac Do’s menu even if I think it’s better they’ve won .
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@Ajay: @Prakash:
“Just as those who want to see spots on the moon only see spots and no beauty”
Just like the stars in the sky. None of any religious textbooks could ever give a precise count of them in the sky. As for beauty, it’s only a subjective notion, it lies in the eye of the beholder, not a rigid notion in a pseudo-poet’s (and brainwashed) mind like yours… hehehe!
Seeing beauty in spots, mispelling names, quoting half-truths and whatever other things makes us raise questions about the wholesomeness of things you’ve been eating/drinking/smoking/consuming recently… unbelievable waste of oxygen!
By the way, there’s much beauty in the way you ridicule yourselves… Like all the religious bigots commenting here. Highly enjoyable 🙂 Merci Yashvin!
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Religion is indeed a series of rules and regulations, rituals and rites that provide you with one end-result in the end: to become disciplined (as per the religion’s guides) and follow the laws, or chapters, or rites, and a host of other related words that come along with it; different times, different words.. and notice that in every religion, there are many things in common: statues to idolise, rituals, prayers and songs, gurus, teachers and priests, gatherings of people, a hierarchy to respect, etc…
Religion always has to get bigger and bigger: it’s the aim of the system, there’s no going against it: if it is adapted to society and that the society likes it in return, there will be a larger audience resulting out of this liking and appreciation. if not, well, it will definitely be disliked and be looked upon as unappreciated, definitely.
Words like Fascist, Fanatic, Unrealistic, will be ‘tagged’ to the religion, eventually. A tag that ISKCON, like every religion (or religious group) must try to avoid wrt society, unless if that’s what they really want, but then, we cant do nothing to change this ..
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plse visit http://iscowpmauritius.terapad.com [cow protection]
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I don’t need anyone to tell me what i should eat or not. I eat what i want as far as it is “Halal”.
I highly appreciate when anyone would advice me something. Here, i appreciate your invitation to vegetarianism. But that’s all you are allowed to do.
You don’t eat cow, don’t eat. Problem solved. Do NOT impose your thoughts on me. Warning!!!
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The article raised the fact that once again that Mc Donalds, which was at that time 10 years ago under Currimjee’s franchise had to abandon the idea to open a restaurant at the actual Caddyplus(ex toys r us) site due to Iskcon protest. Chicago restaurant’s ltd(the actual Mc Donald franchise, a chinese family owned company) obtained its licence from Currimjee knowing this fact.
My question is: Are Chicago restaurants complete idiots? Let me give you some info: Chicago Restaurants has its head office at Morc Cambier, le morne. Its name says it all, people living there don’t know the reality abt mauritius. Its true that chinese restaurants sell pork near Jummah Mosque, but they don’t come under jumma mosque doors to grill the pork ribs.
I hope you understand my point, I’m for tolerance, but Chicago restaurant knew “a qui il a affaire”, and now opening a restaurant even closer to Iskcon than Currimjee is a clear provocation.
About the appeal, Iskcon should lose because if it wins this might lead to a new bagarre raciale, as everyone will start to “rode so bout”. This will have a snow ball effect, creoles and chinese will not be able to cook beef, pork, tang…etc if they have hindu or muslim neighbors.
Mc Donald could do a compromise. How did mc donalds suceede in india? By selling no beef-no pork and even having 100% veg restaurants. If Mc Donalds is number 1 worldwide, its because it adapts to the local cultures. Even KFC does it. Do you know that KFC sells pork abroad? Their zinger contains a leaf of beacon if you ask for it in Australia, USA…etc but not in Mauritius, because it knows that it wouldn’t have been THAT popular.
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Dear Saggitarius and Torpedo,
You know well my dear friends that truth is always bitter and when people like you who fears to hear and face truth then then you will resort to character assasination. For your information sagitarius when India followed strictly the manusmriti, India and hindus were the most prosperous nation, the jewel of the crown, much contrary to what you are saying that all hindus would have been dead.
As for Torpedo, I think he needs a complete rehabillitation.
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@Prakash
Leave the ‘Dear’ out when you mean to be insulting .
I write Sagittarius with a single ‘t’ . Is the surplus ‘g’ to compensate for it ?
Truth is not always bitter . If you hold any truth and wanted to share , your confused rhetoric fails to convey it .
Character assassination ? The delusional disorder you seem to be suffering from could come the B12 deficiency I mentioned earlier . See a doctor .
”when India followed strictly the manusmriti , India and hindu were ……” Could you give some details ? Or just give some dates , I’ll do my own research .
Have you ever read through the Manusmriti ?
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