Who will win? Mac Do or Iskcon

I will try to be very brief.

For those who haven’t been reading or listening to the news very recently, Mac Donald is planning to open a branch at Phoenix, at some meters only from the Iskcon building (International Society for Krishna Consciousness).

Everything has already been done, the building, the permits, the legal notices. However, a few days back, Iskon just “discovered” about this, and they are now protesting this opening, bringing forward several reasons, a few of them are :

  • Mac Donald offers menus including beef while Iskcon devotees (and hindous in general ) pray this animal
  • The fast food resto is situated too near to this Iskon bulding and might be cause inconvenience to Iskon and the devotees.

10 years back, Mac Do had to abort the idea of opening a branch there after protestation of Iskcon, once again. Several organisations and persons have expressed themselves on this subject, typically opposing religion/culture against our freedom, as granted by our constitution.

I invite you to express yourself on this subject and tell us who will win at the end? Religion or our Constitution?

163 thoughts on “Who will win? Mac Do or Iskcon

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  1. @Prakash:

    Weh, shaabaash bétté…

    Yeah, Saggitarius and Torpedo are verily wrong! True! I don’t doubt your sincerity

    So what?

    Allé taa-eh, prend gagner enn fois… Pff…

    Rehabilitation: As long as you go in first, no problem. Alle touzour, nou vini la… Parski mo pas comprend: ou enn psychiatre / psychologue tou? Ou permett ou cwar ki ou tou-sel detenir la-vérité? Quelle vérité? Donc eski li vrai ki ou kwar en bann super-humains ki plusieurs centaines d’années de cela ti ena bann super-pouvoirs (immortalité, miracles, apparitions etc) ki ti pe aide ziss bann humain ki cwar dans bann super-humains-la? Ek bann super-humains ki aide nou zordi-zour sauf si nou prier zott? Ek bann super-humains ki pas aide bann lezott humains parski, mem si bann super-sipaki pouvoir zott ena zott ti fini ecrire destin ki nou-mem nou bizin prier pou nou gagne zott pitié ek nou pas trop souffert nou destin ki pas nou faute parski c’est zott ki’inn ecrire…? (Saki pe comprend pas necessaire contign lire, pou ena enn koutt dessann-calson la)
    Ou laz ou pe enkor pé guette DRAGON BALL…?

    Eh, get a life.

    A life of a recluse, in a hole somewhere up a mountain, with some grass and some dew for sustaining your life of purity and calm, far away from the mundane things that we have to do sustain our vice-ridden existence.

    Yes, go in peace, go.

    Non-friend.

    Non-human.

    There are so many other gods you don’t believe in – Apollo, Moses, Thor, the great Juju under the Mountain, etc…

    And you’re only one away from being the atheist most people are already… but for fear of rejection, they come back for more, and more, in an infinite quest for spiritual fulfillment by a never-ending masturbatory prayers…

    I pray for your soul 🙂

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  2. @Sagitarius
    Nowhere is it stipulated that all Hindus have to be pure vegetarian. But the ancient Hindu scriptures give the conditions under which human beings can consume meat if they cannot remain vegetarian. It is explained that before killing the animal one should whisper in its ear, “this life I am killing you, in your next life you may kill me.” Also, it is usually the warriors, those on the battlefield who would have eaten meat as they would have required more physical strength. The spiritually minded were always pure vegetarian.

    Animals were not reared for food. One would have to go to the forest and hunt. Quite a difference from today where animals are reared in atrocious conditions. Their slaughter is often far from humane and they end up neatly packaged on the supermarket shelf or in a burger on one’s plate. When the meat is “expired” it is all thrown out. There is no respect for the animal’s life. And it is respect and compassion that are at the roots of a peaceful society.

    As for the Manusmriti – The Vedic culture (sanatana-dharma or Hinduism) is not static. It has evolved with time. Just like there are so many differences between the Old and New Testaments. Manusmriti is not for this age of Kali-yuga. Indeed it’s atonements are very harsh because those laws were for an age were man had higher values and principles and the laws of Manu were rarely broken. Lord Krishna did not enforce these laws and prophets of today know that many of these laws and their punishments are obsolete. Sanatana-dharma today is a path of peace and love and I do not appreciate the way this thread is developing. It is full of hatred and bigotry. Accusations of “religious bigotry” on no real grounds. Who are the real bigots? Each one points at the person in front of him! But know that when you point at someone, four fingers point back at yourself.

    And @ Torpedo: I really don’t care how much you laugh at me 🙂 You really haven’t been able to hold an intelligent conversation here…..

    Nothing can be obtained unless there is understanding. At least an effort to understand one another. Jeering and name-calling will get us nowhere.

    @ Jet-Fuel: Please pray for my soul too 😉

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  3. @Ajay

    This first paragraph is just for fun . Don’t look for any special meaning . When you point at someone , three fingers point back at you ; the thumb prudently avoids getting involved . Is the thumb a coward or a more intelligent finger . Only God knows .

    I agree with what you say on modern animal husbandry ,and, meat packaging and marketing .

    Thank you for shedding more light on the Manusmriti . But I’d still like a few answers from Prakash .

    I don’t have any personal hatred and I’m unfamiliar with the feeling . Which does not mean ,I think ,I have to say niceties to everything . I don’t recall having written the word ‘bigot’ even when addressing someone who is evidently bigoted .

    This thread is not that ‘full of hatred and bigotry’ . True , there is some unhappy choice of words in some comments ,but I don’t think that has any deep meaning . The way it is going is irritating for some and amusing for others . I guess you are part of the irritated . It can be counterproductive to champion a case if you are not articulate .

    If you have other things to do [like maybe , build a kanwar] do it please and don’t be in a hurry to reply . l hate it when people reply after only superficial reading of what I have written .

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  4. like i mentioned above, it’s all a question of appreciation n likedness wrt society: another gud example is the last religion ever conceived (maybe im wrong) the bahais abroad and the bahais’ approach here…

    besides mcdo’s reputation wwde has got some issues too (oO)

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  5. @Ajay:
    “Sanatana-dharma today is a path of peace and love”: Truer than nothing else! Go tell that to this guy playing with matches
    Who is defending the undefendable?

    “when you point at someone, four fingers point back at yourself”: Definitely, without the shadow of a doubt, with this kind of pre-school children logic, you are way too intelligent for these poor “intellectuellement-limité” people commenting here… Sagitarius is trying to… OK, do him man! Only you can do him! Do him!

    You use absolutism and despise logic when it suits you, and use relativism when absolutism pricks you in the side, and then spit on logic when it hits back at your crookedness, bravo… Yes, Torpedo needs rehabilitation (doesn’t eat meat for fear of cancer: that’s not reasonable, not logic! he SHOULD be religious to defend vegetarianism), and I need to stay there indefinitely. I hope Sagitarius (articulate and logic in all full-grown adult sense: very frightening combination for too-intelligent but inarticulate people) will be bring me pom-zoranz…

    Just one last thing: my culinary preference, like my sexual preference, remains a private thing, none of your business. No need to trumpet about it like you, as if buying with it some kind of pseudo-spiritual virginity.

    I kiss you farewell: Mwouak!

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  6. Ala bann ki pas hystérique (couma impé ici) comprend ki enn végétarien pas nécessairement enn bigot…

    Franchement, mo trouve ça kalité “outing”-la impé déplacé. Totally irrelevant, in fact. Wa-dir enn juge ki appelé à juge enn case viol pé vinn déclaré publiquement ki li enn hétéro / homosexuel ou bien ki li masturbé zis 5 fois par zour. Qu’est-ce qu’on en à a foutre qu’il soit végétarien/talien ou omnivore? Noir ou blanc? Handicappé ou pas? Cheveux frisé blond ou raide noir?

    Purée, quand on est juge, soit on est professionnel et impartial ou pas du tout. Point barre!

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  7. Jet Fuel,
    I read your comments but It does not make any sense to me. You are speaking about super humans then you start speaking about removing pants. can you explain the link. As far as my soul is concerned don’t worry about it. I can take care about myself, better you take care of your pant because you seem to be running out of your fuel, thats why your choice of words is out of context here.
    Saggitarius, I feel that Ajay has got the point right about Manusmriti. Hinduism and hindu laws have adapted themselves with the evolution of time. What may be good at a particular point in time may not be necessarily good at a different time. Hinduism does not beleive in rigidity but adaptability, that is why it has survived the ravages of time unlike many other ancient cultures for e.g egyptian and Greek.
    Mike I think you also got the point right that Mac Do usually try to adapt to local culture. But as far as the legal issue is concerned I have a feeling that ISKON has a chance to win, for the simple reason that our sources of law are based on the state of our society and our Judges when giving judgments take human and cultural factors into consideration as well. You will understand me better if you read about something called the sociology of law. Max Weber has written extensively about it.

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  8. @Prakash

    There is a discrepancy between what you say about the Manusmriti in [each of] your last two comments . But let’s not stay too long on that issue .
    Hinduism – you say – believe in adaptability rather than rigidity .
    Well , maybe ISKCON could lose some of its rigidity and try to adapt to our multicultural Mauritian society and to the 21st century where people – atheists and believers – are more and more allergic to excessive intervention of religion in civil life .

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  9. You are right to some extent Sagitarius that being a multicultural society ISKON should make some concession to adapy itself to the present development. But unfortunately the veneration of cows or the divine status that cows enjoy in ISKON is so fundamantal that it is one of the pillar of this organisation. You will see that in most of the pictures of Lord Krishna, he is with cows. Krishna and the cows are inseperable. Put it another way you cannot worship Krishna and at the same time you remain insensitive to your neighbour who is planning to sell beef. I think that Mac Do should take the cultural aspect into consideration as they do in India [see comments above]

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  10. Prakash

    Your comment in short means :
    ISKCON should make concessions but Mac Do -not ISKCON – should make concessions .
    Sounds a bit like nonsense to me . You agree but you don’t agree !

    Mac Do does not have to do in Mauritius what it did in India because Mauritius is neither Indian nor hindu territory .

    You and ISKCON should know that for more than 45% of the population beef and meat are almost synonymous . It’s not for ISKCON to decide where they can go , where they can stay or where they can eat what .

    Researchers have some difference of opinion about the precise origin of the various species of cattle but they agree on a few things :

    1, The cow first appeared in the present Palestine-Syria-Iraq region .
    2, Sub-species then developed in Africa and probably in North-Eastern Asia .
    3, Later European and Indian species appeared probably with some cross breeding with the European aurochs or the Indian buffalo respectively .
    4, The species most found in today’s ranching type herds are more recent crossbreeds between African and Indian species that evolved about a thousand year ago .

    One thing is certain : the cow as we know it was not present in India at the beginning of Hinduism .

    The kama-dhenus , the sacred cows , are the surabhi cow of planet Vaikuntha . This planet where we live , the only one I’m a bit familiar with , is called Earth .

    I think that you force yourself to believe things that you know to be untrue , because of culture and religion .
    By the way , the python is a sacred animal in my religion . But you may eat it if you want : you’ll never be able to eat what it represents .

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  11. Saggitairus,
    I can only conclude from what you have written that inspite of knowing that the Python is sacred, you are urging me to eat the python. This already shows a lack of respect for your own religion. Then how can you have respect for others.
    You should be happy that we have a population which is mostly from the indian subcontinent. If you don’t believe me just cast some glance on your neighbours especially if it happens that you come from a minority group. I think you have a bad memory as well probaby you have already forgotten the bomb blast at the christian church in Iraq and Egypt on christmas last year, just to cite you some examples.
    I think that your knowledge about India is also very limited. Just make some further reseach and find out where the borders of India stood in ancient India. That is probaby why your research says that the origin of cow is in the region of Syria and Iraq. Lord Krishna appeared on this earth about 5000 years back. Try to find out where the borders of India stood at that time and for your information until recently middle east countries were trading extensively with india through the silk road.
    You also mention that the cows does not exist at the beginning of hiduism. Then I am sorry to tell you that you don’t even know the basic of hinduim.So don’t try to be a Pandit. The cow has always been an iconic figure in hinduism. Besides krishna, Lord Shiva best devotee is Nandi, the sacred cow.

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  12. @Prakash: @Ajay: DROM VIDE KI FERR TAPAAZ 😀

    “You really haven’t been able to hold an intelligent conversation here”: So you measure intelligence: would you care to share how you evaluate, which qualifications permit you to do that, and how you rate yourself: bouffissure de suffisance auto-congratulante… “your choice of words is out of context here”: so how you decide which one is one or off context – you have scales for measuring that?

    I just like it so much here, and relishing at the idea that you feel compelled to continue whining and complaining and asserting and exposing your own petty prejudice and ethno-racist insinuations about Sagitarius’ knowledge: you can’t digest a non-Hindu being as fluent in something that even you “born-Hindus” are struggling to try to understand. Hah!

    I now remember why I didn’t like McDo since many many years before they landed in Mauritius: floor-level salaries!

    By the way Sagittarius, it seems that “reason” and “logic” are two obscure, unknown concepts to Prakash and Ajay: they’ve run out of ammunition and can’t cope with anything that has been thrown at them so far. And when you explain, patiently and skilfully, you are at fault because they insinuate that they have far superior knowledge by virtue of the accident that caused them to be born in a hindu family. They say things that contradict their beliefs and then say the contrary in the next sentence, only themselves can follow their thought-process. When they can’t understand, they say we are not logical, and pretend that we are misleading them, and this sort of pseudo-arguments is getting on my nerves: let them be. Peine perdue ar zott: prend gagner.

    Moi, mo oulé MacDo rentrer / pas plier parski sinon c’est enn la-porte ouverte pou tou kalité extrémistes pou vinn impose zott conception de zott liberté.

    Peu importe si MacDo maltraite so employés dehors, ki li vann la-viande rouge ek bann manzé ki pas sain, fauder laisse le peuple décider: si le marketing plan inn bien faire, li pou survive, sinon, business will die off naturally. Si pas donne li so chance exister, nou pa kapav préjuge de son bann faute ki li penkor faire.

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  13. @Torpedo: FYI I was neither born in a Hindu family nor in an Indian body. So you judge for yourself who is “exposing your own petty prejudice and ethno-racist insinuations”.

    Furthermore, I did not measure intelligence but the intelligence of your present conversation.

    No need to defend Sagitarius. He has done so very articulately and as a gentleman. Actually, we even agreed on points.

    I think one thing Sagitarius got wrong is his confusion to see who is laughing and who is irritated….but that is just a detail….

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  14. @Ajay:

    “FYI I was neither born in a Hindu family nor in an Indian body.”
    Then, why take a forename that’s not yours? Why a hindu one in this instance? Are you an actor?

    “I did not measure intelligence but the intelligence of your present conversation. ”
    Wow: what’s that measuring device?

    “Actually, we even agreed on points.” re-Wow. And with this major ground-breaking achievement done, it brings you where?

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  15. @Sagitarius: You said: “It’s not for ISKCON to decide where they can go, where they can stay or where they can eat what.”

    Definitely. They know that. ISKCON is not deciding. ISKCON is objecting to Mac Donald’s location and to how they obtained their permit as per local laws. The court will DECIDE and ISKCON will accept the verdict. As for meat/beef eaters in Mauritius – please cite one example when ISKCON decided where they could go, where they could stay or where they could eat what?

    You said:”One thing is certain : the cow as we know it was not present in India at the beginning of Hinduism.”
    A quick Google search gave me the following:”Evidence for domesticated zebu (humped cattle, B. indicus) has been discovered at the site of Mehrgahr, in the Indus Valley of Pakistan, about 7,000 years ago”.

    Lord Krishna appeared 5000 years ago – so scientific evidence that cows, as we know them on Earth, existed 7000 years ago is enough for supporting arguments in this topic. Besides, scientists in all domains often find evidence that destroys previous theories so “certain” is quite uncertain.

    One clarification: Most of us drink more cow’s milk, than our own mother’s milk, during our lifetime. Just think of all the wonderful preparations made from milk, or that use milk as one of their ingredients. So,ISKCON does not only believe in what the cow represents but also what she gifts to mankind. She is a Mother. Can’t really compare her to the python or lion.

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  16. @Torpedo: you said,”Then, why take a forename that’s not yours? Why a hindu one in this instance? Are you an actor?”

    I think Torpedo is more of an actor’s name than Ajay 😉

    No rules about one being born and brought up in one religion and changing to another later on in life – or is there?

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  17. @Ajay:
    “Most of us drink more cow’s milk, than our own mother’s milk, during our lifetime”
    Ki ou koz kozé mama-laa…?!? Guette bann dans to kalité ki pé faire ar bann mama: http://www.slate.fr/story/22779/arabie-saoudite-allaitement-hommes-adultes

    “Lord Krishna appeared 5000 years ago – so scientific evidence that cows”

    Pfff… au risque de me répéter: “You use absolutism and despise logic when it suits you, and use relativism when absolutism pricks you in the side, and then spit on logic when it hits back at your crookedness”

    When it suits you, you call for scientific evidence, and then in the same sentence you call for “appearance”… Eta-hé mové aaar… Pas vinn essaye faire l’esprit la-hein!

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  18. People are supposed to be open-minded: we’ve got the internet and places where we can educate ourselves, we can never stop learning new things everyday in books and online; so y do ppl fold their eyes just on a limited form of veneration

    FYI:
    Lord Krsna, just like any other form of Godlike personality that existed in time, appeared numerous times on earth in many other human forms in different places: Jesus, Horus, Dionysus (or Dionisus something like that), Buddha, to name a few.. Those numerous types of personalities were believed to be associated with the Holy Spirit or SuperSoul, in turn associated in some form or the other with Space and Universes or even better with a grand architect of a universe.

    Each of those personalities had an animal associated with them: scarab, elephant, lion, tiger, etc… All these animals, or at some time insects, played an important part in humanity: horses and elephants/mammouths during wars, cows and beef to plow lands in Saraswati civilisations for farming, scarabs in egyptan times believed to rejuvenate light from the sun (something to do with the sun, google that out, better now: wiki it). Snakes have been and still are associated with medicine. Check out logos and corporate identities for Medical institutions.

    Dont try to outsmart me on this part, i know this very well cos im a graphic designer, we do lots and lots of research and history is part of it: people, all along history, always liked animals because it’s the next sexual being after us humans. You want to capture an audience and attract attention ? Most of the time, you just have to associate an animal with a human being, usually one that predominated the most along history: dragon, horse (unicorn), tiger, lion, elephant (mammouth,courts!), panther, cows or beef too

    So what Scientific Evidence … Are you talking about !!?

    People, regular people, usually the working class were compelled or felt the need to adore the special animal together with the personality (there just cant be an animal only come onnnn, people will definitely place a similar sexual being similar to them on the podium) usually for a good reason. so MEUHH is JUST another animal at one time adored by people just like other of those selected animals associated with a personality.

    AND nutritively speaking, regarding human beings, cow’s milk, that usually comes after mother’s milk, is not supposed to be taken all our life. The regular daily consumption normally stops before the age of 10: our body has not been conditioned for digesting huge amounts of milk all our life (we take it cos we are greedy, like 1bon dité *&^%$#@! tous les matins: even i do it, like all of you here) normally we dont need that much…

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  19. Then I think it would be wise to post this link there, since this article has quite a lot of information, even if all comments and point of views of readers are to be respected, urrrr …

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  20. @Sheran Jaddoo:
    “… regarding human beings, cow’s milk, that usually comes after mother’s milk, is not supposed to be taken all our life.”

    Yep, couldn’t agree more: am myself lactose-intolerant since the past 5 years or so… And I hear that more and more people in my entourage are slowly getting into that ‘condition’.

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  21. @Mike:
    Yes, the argumentation is crystal clear: by allowing any kind of selfish group to impose its beliefs unto others, it’s equivalent to a violation of democracy by the abuse of democracy itself. Full stop.

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  22. Right now I am making the switch from Windows to Ubuntu and it is even less smooth and straightforward than I expected . So I’ve got my hands full and can’t devote too much time to blogs ; but some points have been raised that shouldn’t be left unanswered so I guess I’ll have to find the time to comment . Maybe in 4-5 days ?

    A few words on one point though . That Hinduism was born 5000 years BCE , i.e 7000 years ago is something I already knew . Since we are talking about the divine link between Krishna and the cow ,I referred to the age given to Krishna by Hindu scholars according to their different readings of the Vedas and other Hindu sciptures . Google a bit on that : you might make some interesting finds . E.g. there’s even one learned scholar who has calculated from the Vedas that Krishna was born 154 [or is it 156] trillion years ago .
    154 trillion years ago , let alone the cow , neither the Sun nor planet Earth existed .

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  23. @ Sagitarius:
    You said:”One thing is certain : the cow as we know it was not present in India at the beginning of Hinduism.” Then when I quoted evidence that cows existed 7000 years ago you said: “That Hinduism was born 5000 years BCE , i.e 7000 years ago is something I already knew .”
    Seems to be a contradiction here….
    Lord Krishna appeared on earth 5000 years ago (at least this is the common acceptance in Hinduism). From what you wrote it appears that you also agree to His earthly connection with cows. That’s all I said – I felt that that consensus was enough common ground to discuss the issue at hand.
    As for Lord Krishna’s eternal connection with cows, at least you accept that He appeared some “trillion years” ago. Lord Krishna Himself says “Never was there a time when I did not exist…”
    You also mentioned: “The kama-dhenus , the sacred cows , are the surabhi cow of planet Vaikuntha” and as such these surabhi cows have nothing to do with our sun, earth or galaxy or the era they were created. As you said surabhi cows are from Vaikuntha. So it is logic that they (could have) existed along with Krishna in Vaikuntha, at least some trillion years ago (if you do not accept that Krsna had no beginning) – well before the advent of Hinduism.

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  24. @ Sheran: you wrote a long, interesting analysis that I don’t disagree with and you ended it with the punchline: “ So what Scientific Evidence … Are you talking about !!?”
    What are you talking about!!? Sagitarius mentioned that cows as we know them on earth were not present at the dawn of Hinduism and I responded to that with evidence that cows did exist on planet earth 7000 yrs ago. (Later he said he already knew that Hinduism also began 7000 years ago). What’s your problem about the evidence I presented?
    Please be specific and if you wish to argue then please quote what I have said and not interpolate what I have not said. Thank you.
    You also said: “so MEUHH is JUST another animal at one time adored by people just like other of those selected animals associated with a personality.”
    That may be true for the animals you quoted but it is not true of the worship of the cow in Hinduism and in Vaikuntha. Worship of the cow goes far beyond representation or one that was predominant at a historic time, or a commercial/medical emblem. To understand that needs some sensitivity to religious principles. “People are supposed to be open-minded: we’ve got the internet and places where we can educate ourselves, we can never stop learning new things everyday in books and online” so maybe you could take time to learn more about the connection between Lord Krishna and the cow.
    “AND nutritively speaking, regarding human beings, cow’s milk, that usually comes after mother’s milk, is not supposed to be taken all our life.”
    I guess people should stop eating ice-cream or cheese after 10 years old. If you would read ingredients of cookies, cakes, mayonnaise you would realize that you eat more milk than you think you do….

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  25. And the story continues….thought you would appreciate the latest update…. Mac Do was called to court today (14.03) to explain why they had opened when there is an injunction request weighing against them. the Justice was going to issue an immediate injunction which would not allow them to operate until the case had been decided upon. However, Mac Do agreed not to prepare any beef dishes in their restaurant until the court takes their decision.

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  26. sorry i dont understand you ajay and you are making me having to write excessively to make you understand..

    cos in your last paragraph: you are repeating what im saying. a cow fully grows up in less than 20 years while our lifespan is entirely different; hence the rate of development of our bones structures are slower than that of cows and over-consumption would generate complications; we should not consume milk excessively.. i told u to wiki. all this here is not a biology lecture room, it’s opinion-based here

    secondly, you are confusing hinduism and hindu religious principles AGAINNNNNNN meeeeuuuuhhhhhly crap.. you are mixing a philosophy of life, a form of supreme being and rituals all into one a real briani !

    Hinduism: go back to school and read kass to yen, mon petit :D.. you will see rituals like what we all practise here (sometimes so wrongly oww) are nothing but branches of the tree whereas the heart of Hinduism, what we should really experience and not pracTise, is the trunk and roots…
    http://hinduism.about.com/od/hinduism101/a/definition.htm

    to be honest, you are laying too much emphasis on cows. get a room bruv.. there was a time when cows were an essential part of civilisation development and not just human development; knowing when cows came on earth i dunno maybe brought on earth from spaceships is not what im saying.

    At a time when hinduism and afterwards hindu religion were heavily predominating in a part of the world, cows were not just important for rituals and prayers but they were of a major importance for the development of a whole part of that world civilisation (in this case at that time in India, for farming and ploughing of lands, constructions of roads, short-distance travelling vehicles, etc…)

    Other animals had just as much importance as cows in a part of history at a certain point in time.. adoration of only one form of life (or philosophy of life) whilst downgrading the others leads to a type of school of thought known as the Orthodoxes. Orthodoxes are cool ppl, sticking to their principles of life flawlessly. Now another similarly same form of adoration, but this time so very childishly excessive in a fascist form of way leads to what is known as a Fanatic, which, by what you are writing automatically reflects your behaviour as such and which I, as your next-to-kin similar human being, dont want you to definitely turn into one before you go on and twist other ppl’s mindsets without you knowing..

    finalement tone comprend ki mo p rode dire toi !!??

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  27. @Ajay:
    Hein: toi ki pou sauté-pilé la!

    @Sheran:
    “finalement tone comprend ki mo p rode dire toi !!?? ”
    Non missié: so diss inn rayé. Nétt!

    Li pa comprend parski so gène ‘good faith’ ek ‘fair play’ inn sourde/avégg/mort tellement li’nn soigne so bann lezott gène ‘narrow-mindedness’ ek ‘egoism’ ar enn régime purement végétalien (pas végétarien). Mo cwar sa différence la-oussi li (declare) pas conner, parski vegan li tellement difficile respecter ha…

    Bon, koz enn koutt: quand pou mett plan MacDo la?

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  28. So, now ISKCON representative starts using ambiguous language…

    And other opportunists making irrelevant links.

    Where will this stop? I mean: when will self-appointed / self-righteous bigots stop opening their oral orifice for mingling in simple matters and revealing their propension to hate / paranoïa?

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  29. @Torpedo: I strongly feel that Mac Do was very disrespectful, inconsiderate and tricky in opening right opposite a temple. But, I also deplore the way ISKCON and Kranti leaders are speaking. I don’t think they are properly representing their guru or the ISKCON devotees. But you are not speaking much differently to the way they are….

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  30. Torpedo, you are treating ajay as being manipulated by sectarian, others as bigot. so whom do you consider yourself to be. Do you consider yourself to be Mr Clean or snowwhite. I stopped writing for a while just because I was waiting for the judgment, but unfortunately it was a bit delayed. But don’t worry I am reading all the comments. I think that Mac do and all their supporters have already got a big kick on their lower back and its not so far that you will get another kick, hope it won’t be on the front this time. For your information if Mac Do would not have appoloised to the court zotte ti pou bizin leve pake allez. At least read the paper before making silly comments.

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  31. I went past Mac Do last week and , I must say , I was a bit surprised . ISKON faces East . On its right there are several properties which separate it from the road going towards Candos Hospital . Mac Do is on the other side of that road [not on the road’s edge but well inside ] facing the exit of Phoenix CC’s parking area .

    So Mac Do is to the South of ISKCON . There are other properties between them . And the distance between them is more than a few meters [I would say at least 300 meters .]

    As far as I remember there has never any Southerly winds in Mauritius . Except in rare cyclonic conditions : the cyclone must be at more or less same latitude [as Mauritius] and to the East if I remember well .[It could be same latitude to the West ,though : anybody interested check with Met. Station]

    If Southerly winds are now predominant in Mauritius [There are so many odd happenings on this planet ,that I wouldn’t be surprised if one day it transformed into a cube ,so why not consider southerly winds] we are – or rather our government [the best in the World : foreign political leaders often come here for lessons in governance] is making a big , Rs 10 billion mistake : the airport at Plaisance with its runway on a East-West [or more precisely East-South-East – West-North-West] axis is no longer appropriate .

    Aircraft have better take off and landing performance against the wind and so runways are constructed with their axis in same direction as the predominant wind . A quick glance at a map and I’d say the best location for an airport with a North-South axis is Bambou [yes!] . That water treatment plant would have to move again , of course .

    But maybe all this won’t be necessary . Maybe the prevailing winds are still the easterlies and the south-easterlies . In which case ISKCON would have to install some really powerful machinery to create a wind flow between Mac Do and ISKCON if they want to smell beef .

    Don’t bother to reply to the above . There’s not much in it that can be challenged .

    About Mother-cow and her milk .
    You should know that although in Mauriius we think cow-milk when we say milk there are other animals who are just as motherly as the cow . Camels , goats , sheep , horses ,reindeer ,yaks ,llamas , buffaloes all give milk for human benefit . But the best is the donkey : donkey’s milk is the closest to human milk . It can , when mother’s milk is not available , be fed to newborns.
    Anyone who insists on having a Mother-goddess should worship donkeys [a.k.a. asses]

    Meanwhile in India more and more young people are taking a liking to beef and the domestic market for the divine meat is expanding steadily .

    This is getting a bit long . Let’s leave a few things for some other time . Things like respect ,the origins of cattle, symbolic animals or why minorities [in my case Creoles] should ”be happy that we have a population that comes mostly from the Indian subcontinent .” There has been quite a few events during the past 30 years hat could make Creoles not happy that we have a population ”that comes mostly from the Indian subcontinent .” We could review these some day ,but I’ll leave that for last as it has a strong potential for getting nasty .

    Although my knowledge of India is very limited , I think I can update yours on a few topics . We’ll see about that too .

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  32. @ Sagitarius:
    “Don’t bother to reply to the above . There’s not much in it that can be challenged .”
    Lol! Actually smell was never a primary contention in this whole legal debate but to get facts straight – the ISKCON temple, when built, will be within 100 metres of McDo. Furthermore, ISKCON land extends to south of the Sodnac Link Road, extending to the south-west of McDo.

    Mother Cow’s milk is only one of the reasons she is held in such high regard. Only a donkey would claim, “I give milk, the cow gives milk so I should be worshipped as is Mother Cow.”

    McDo claims that they obtained their permit, following all legal procedures required of them in Mauritius. ISKCON contests that. That’s the bottom line of the debate. McDo showed how much respect they have for our legal system by opening before time so let’s see whether it will be proved that they disrespected law in obtaining their permit as well. We’ll know on the 29th of March. My mother’s birthday. I’ll be celebrating either way.

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  33. @ Ajay

    Don’t laugh too much , a bad tooth is showing .

    South-west of Mac Do you’ll find Jumbo .

    Does ISKCON own that much land ? That would be a nice change from other Hindu organizations here which , unlike Christian , Muslim and others , tend to build shivalas , mandirs etc on State Land . Confirm that please .

    So ,if I’ve got you right , ISKCON objection to Mac Do is not related to the actual ISKCON’s buildings , but to a temple that it will build someday .

    Now , that’s a very interesting argument . If accepted , it would mean that anyone having unused land [or is argument valid only for ISKCON ?] can block opening of any restaurant by claiming he intends to build a mosque , a shivala or a church someday .

    More on cows and other beasts some other day .

    Beware of birthday cakes , I think they put animal fat in the dough. [just kidding!]

    No special occasion for me on 29 March – I think I’ll have some beef curried with potatoes . When it’s almost done I’ll add some chopped coriander leaves . It will taste like there’s something to celebrate .

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  34. In your luxury car, when you button up, when you hit a tennis ball, or when you extinguish a fire, that’s why you hear “Mmeuh…”

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  35. b si pense kuma ISKCON, dmin si mo p manz Laviande dan mo lakaz ek mo voisin enn Hindou, li ggn droit vine enpess moi manzE?? Si dmin mo voisin p manz porc et moi en tant ki Musulman, mo pa ggn droit manz porc, aB mo enpess li???

    ine ler pu ki lepep pense ouvertement.. Mac-Donald pa p force persone pu vine manzer dan so restorant..

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  36. I am not a hindu but I believe ISKCON is right to fight McDonald. In what became the longest legal
    battle in history, known as the McLibel case, McDonald tried every trick
    (including spy infiltration, coercion, bribery, intimidation and
    threats) to silence one male British postman and one female British
    gardener from educating the public about the devastating effects
    McDonald franchises have on human health, animal welfare, employee
    welfare and the natural environment. McDonald is an American mega corporation. Why did they spend several
    Rs_millions just to silence two ordinary people? What does McDonald NOT want you to know? Do you really believe McDonald has been trying to get into Mauritius for 10 years only to open fast food restaurants? Broaden your understanding with these two links:

    http://www.mcspotlight.org/index.shtml

    http://www.thecorporation.com/

    ps: No Mauritian should ever forget the case of Diego Garcia.

    from Yves (from St Croix, living in London).

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  37. I am not a hindu but I believe ISKCON is right to fight McDonald. In
    what became the longest legal
    battle in history, known as the McLibel case, McDonald tried every trick
    (including spy infiltration, coercion, bribery, intimidation and
    threats) to silence one male British postman and one female British
    gardener from educating the public about the devastating effects
    McDonald franchises have on human health, animal welfare, employee
    welfare and the natural environment. McDonald is an American mega
    corporation. Why did they spend several
    Rs_millions just to silence two ordinary people? What does McDonald NOT
    want you to know? Do you really believe McDonald has been trying to get
    into Mauritius for 10 years only to open fast food restaurants? Broaden
    your understanding with these two links:

    http://www.mcspotlight.org/index.shtml

    http://www.thecorporation.com/

    ps: No Mauritian should ever forget the case of Diego Garcia.

    from Yves (from St Croix, living in London).

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