I will try to be very brief.
For those who haven’t been reading or listening to the news very recently, Mac Donald is planning to open a branch at Phoenix, at some meters only from the Iskcon building (International Society for Krishna Consciousness).
Everything has already been done, the building, the permits, the legal notices. However, a few days back, Iskon just “discovered” about this, and they are now protesting this opening, bringing forward several reasons, a few of them are :
- Mac Donald offers menus including beef while Iskcon devotees (and hindous in general ) pray this animal
- The fast food resto is situated too near to this Iskon bulding and might be cause inconvenience to Iskon and the devotees.
10 years back, Mac Do had to abort the idea of opening a branch there after protestation of Iskcon, once again. Several organisations and persons have expressed themselves on this subject, typically opposing religion/culture against our freedom, as granted by our constitution.
I invite you to express yourself on this subject and tell us who will win at the end? Religion or our Constitution?
Yashvinblogs 
constitution;)
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Constitution of course. I wonder what’s the big fuss about Macdonald opening there. It’s not as if they are forcing those Iskcon people eating Macdo’s food.
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The proposed location of MacDo is at the entrance/exit of the Jumbo Phoenix complex at the road side which is just facing Iskcon. MacDo could have opted to be inside the food court away from Iskcon but I guess that this is no longer a possibility today. Their building is already standing empty and has been the subject of an attack by unhappy people who sprayed the wall and smashed a window. I find it strange that an organization like MacDo did not take into account this issue and opt to be inside the food court at the heart of the complex and well away from the road. I do not believe that MacDo will be able to operate from that location and they will have to rent or sell that building.
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It’s not about religion/culture against our freedom. That would be a viscious circle, especially when the state guarantees our freedom of expression, especially our freedom to practice our religion and culture.
However, I see it differently. It’s between Capitalism v/s Anarchism. Courtesy (e.g from McDo) and respect for someone with a different view gone (e.g from Iskon) are long gone.
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C’est ene situation bien grave ki bizen pa pran a la legere. si li vine 1 zaffaire legal ek ki iskcon gagne so proces li pou vine 1 precedent ek nimporte kotsa dans moris, bane mosque pou faire proces pou empeche vende porc pres ek bane mosque, partout kotte ena temple hindou bane vendeur mine frite / riz frite viande par exemple ek tou lezotte commerce ki vande la viande cuite pou bizen lev paker aller. li ene zaffaire tres tres grave ki la plupart moricien pa p pran serieusement. si li vine kumsa bane sinoi pou nepli kav vande porc dans chinatown around jummah mosque !
dans nou ti pays multiculturel kotte ena dimoune osi ki pena religion nou pa gagne droit impoze lors zotte nou fasson penser. nous bizen less zotte vivre zotte la vie.
la loi ine bien faire ek iskcon pa kav declare ki li pa konne la loi, li pa ene excuse sa. ine publier notice dans la gazette ek ine ena plaque lors site aber si ena otan devot ki alle iskcon ek sa pou zenne zotte eski zotte pa ti trouver kan batiment la ti p ranzer ? astere ki zotte vine faire cinema ek amene tappeur pou vine kraze vitre tousala.. !!
Mwa mo penser ki zotte faire sa par mechanceter parski zotte ler montrer ki c zotte ki dirige pays ek zotte kav faire saki zotte ouler. asterla la boug macdo la deza ena 1 terrain ki line paye cher ek line faire ranze 1 batiment lors la ! ki li pou faire ar sa astere!! si zotte ti faire zotte cinema avant ti pou fini trouve 1 solution. Ve dire zotte p faire sa par mesquinnerie ek parski zotte ena moV lesprit !
Constitution of the Republic of Mauritius should be respected !! sinon dimoune pou coummence viv kuma sovaz dans moris.
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@ashfaq:
Bien résumé! Mo bourzwa, domaz ki ou ‘common sense’ li pas aussi ‘common’ kouma ti bizin été…
Si pa mate ar bann extremis coumsa zordi-mem, dimé pou ena l’anarchie: marchand ambulants illégal dans RHill/PLouis pé deza essaye empess Municipalité execute enn l’ordre la-cour, Association “Taxi-Maléré” (encore enn fois illégal) pe rode force autorité faire “enn lizaz” pou regularise zott situation etc, etc. Abé si sa continuer, nou, bann honett citoyens pou bizin coumence al faire greve de la faim a-kot MRA pou dire li arett faire nou paye tax parski nou pa pe kapaw nouri nou-mem/nou zenfant ou bien ki li contre nou relizion paye tax ki pou servi pou faire bann kiksoz… ek sipaki lezot demagozi similaire ki tou bann illegal pe rode faire nou avaler.
Sinon, mo cwar ki ISKCON pe rode gagne enn boutt pays-la ziss pou li, kott li kapaw faire so bann activités bruyantes sans ki personne capav dire li kiksoz. Ayo, li bizin bann nouveaux membres pou gagne kass, non? Donc li pou rode vinn en-dehors so boute territoire de temps-à -autre… Pareil couma tous lezott sectes.
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Thats the problem in Mauritius, religious parties think they can do anything they want, Beef is a food and no one can argue about that. Iskon should stop their stupid religious nonsense and concentrate on legal matters
Mc Do will certainly win this case imho
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and has been the subject of an attack by unhappy people who sprayed the wall and smashed a window.
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Religious and uncivilized people still rely on Force to attain they objectives, why not simply use legal force to oppose that
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I don’t know how you all define religion. But this is not a fight “Religion vs constitution.” Its “Mafia vs Mafia”
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Constitution. No one is forcing anyone to eat from McDo, the food is being prepared and cooked inside. Iskcon devotees don’t need to come into contact with beef unless they actually go inside the fast food restaurant.
I don’t eat beef neither, but i’ll be a lot happier if it means that i don’t have to travel far to get to a Macdonalds!
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there is always something wrong with iskcon
in south africa, where iskcon existed WELL before here in Mauritius (it’s like iskcon mauritius is the grandchild of ISKCON SA), there never was as many rules (created by the devotees here) to respect as there was back in SA..
there’s like maybe more than 20 iskcon centres just in SA and they NEVER EVER have any problem with McDo, well maybe one or two.. As for the rest, just like Krsna taught his/her devotees, is to respect other religions and to always walk on the path of truth
Besides, Krsna, just like Jesus, told God resides in us, inside us.. Allah said if you cant come to the mosque, lay a clean nap on the floor and start praying from anywhere you are..
there’s not really a need to go to temples when you can make a temple out of yourself
i dont think krsna said to fight with mcdo 😦
hope the mauritius iskconians realise this and stop downgrading hindus as such
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there is always something wrong with iskcon
in south africa, where iskcon existed WELL before here in Mauritius (it’s like iskcon mauritius is the grandchild of ISKCON SA), there never was as many rules (created by the devotees here) to respect as there was back in SA..
there’s like maybe more than 20 iskcon centres just in SA and they NEVER EVER have any problem with McDo, well maybe one or two.. As for the rest, just like Krsna taught his/her devotees, is to respect other religions and to always walk on the path of truth
Besides, Krsna, just like Jesus, told God resides in us, inside us.. Allah said if you cant come to the mosque, lay a clean nap on the floor and start praying from anywhere you are..
there’s not really a need to go to temples when you can make a temple out of yourself
i dont think krsna said to fight with mcdo
hope the mauritius iskconians realise this and stop downgrading hindus as such
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“there’s not really a need to go to temples when you can make a temple out of yourself”…. Do you have such a nice temple made in yourself? So noble you are……. hats off!… well, doesn’t seem so at least by your words.
If you want to worship God, go to a temple (or) mosque (or) a church, its true that you can make a temple out of yourself, but the question is whom will you worship in that temple, is it GOD (or) your own ego?
Though I am not a follower of ISKON but I know of some of my friends who are and respect other religions. If you think deeply enough, you will see that there are always problems with an organization as a whole ( I CHALLENGE you to let me know of any ORGANIZATION without faults), but the point is that you need to see the purity of teachings…. They won’t oppose you from contructing your mosque (or) temple (or) church but if you will kill a cow and market it under ANY NAME, obviously it is a problem as it is not under the scriptural injunctions.
Some people may be bad and attach the tag of religion to it but it doesn’t mean that religion is bad. It means that the follower is not following religion, but his/her OWN WHIMSICAL MIND.
FYI, the word HINDU is not present in the Vedas and btw, who told you that ISKCON is AGAINST HINDUISM? It is AGAINST COW KILLING.
FYI, krishna did not tell to fight with MCDO (or) KFC, but in fact my friend, krishna was motivating arjun to fight by teaching bhagavad gita…. but against whom? adharma. This is the same thing. I pity that you couldn’t see even this after knowing about krishna.
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@ Sheran Jadoo – thts the spirit!
“Besides, Krsna, just like Jesus, told God resides in us, inside us.. Allah said if you cant come to the mosque, lay a clean nap on the floor and start praying from anywhere you are..”
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to proceed with development and evolution.. we must sacrifice..
religion comes from the heart, not from outside!!!
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This is just bullshit, two cents, we live in a different era now, somehow one way or the other we are all exposed to certain things that we are not supposed to be in contact with, but what can we do. i think this is a political saga and the people at iskcon or whatever are just trying to test the limits of the present regime. we know that your votes are needed for the election, but come on grow up. get a life, change your mentality, that old way of thinking is gone, long time ago, do u really want to regress, why don’t you really go and live in huts like our ancestors did.
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Hey there,
Guys, first of all, you’ll agree with me, when theres a Macdo in town, you do smell the food 10 miles away. A smell that tells u to eat there instead of dholl gros poids lacaz.
People, just imagine a sewage next to your house. That’s really a sad thing. Businessman don’t respect anything. They worship money. And its becoming the same everywhere. You know that. Like Flic en Flac, how come we only get a playground now,remember the space 10years back?
I’m not saying ISKCON is perfect. But hey,theyve got MACDO even in Alaska! Leave that small space for god’s sake!
Cow is a sacred animal guys just like any other living creatures on earth. (Like ur dog for ex.) It give birth just like us. And gives us great milk man, Think about It.
I’m not veg,but I really like ISKCON food. It’s so good and you wouldnt notice your eating vegetables. Plus you know and FEEL its CLEAN.
Peace.
PS – Unread and Unhear – Think for yourself
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Hey guy you r very down to earth u!
Cows r our friends we can’t torture our friends and eat them! Cow is our mother who give us milk. People who can’t control their tongue will always find excuses to eat their friends.
Because of animal cruelty today the world is facing calamities, because we r going against nature.
After all every living entity has feeling.
Please b sensible!
Thanks Chris
PN
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So what happens in the jungle is torture? i fail to see your point. Its the natural order of life and the beauty of our ecosystem. i mean no disrespect to your religion, but don’t base your argument on myopic and un-factual points.
Judging from an international business context, McDonald should have factored it in, its customary to research on environmental factors surrounding a business before investment. I don’t know why they did not do that. However, what isn’t an argument is your animal cruelty “holabaloo”.
Animals don’t charge themselves with electricity. Animals depends on other animals for their own survival. Its the way life was designed.
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I agree to a large extent.
Also, replying to one of your replies @aghoghobernard:disqus : For sanity sake, don’t tell me cows do live in jungles. Please read definitions of domestic and wild animals before raising parallels between torture in jungles vs domestic animal protection. If you want to read further, go ahead read the book on ‘Why love dogs, eat pigs and wear cows’ by Dr. Melanie Joy. Would you love to see your pet animal being slaughtered to satisfy the taste buds of your neighbors?
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Sacrifice is a word that is ambiguous, meaning it has a lot to say about itself. We all sacrifice ourselves for any reason, any; i have a friend who’d walk 1 mile instead of paying for a bus trip to ebene just for an ice cream at leglaciermoderne at rosehill 🙂
Some ppl associate sacrifice with fasting: that’s not true; fasting comes by itself for oneself not for God; God never asked to fast, it’s for outselves !!
fasting is for the body and the soul and when the need arrives (it’s up to you to accept or refuse your own body or mind’s message but they do send you messages! like smses LOL, e.g. let’s eat just a salad today, nothing more when you’re used to mcdos all day… e.g. i feel the need for healthy veggie food without onion and garlic (iskcon makes food without that) so let’s go there
check my colleague’s place where he lives: a kovil next to a mosque! when there’s bakrid or marche sur le feu, ben…. y’a pas le feu, they respect each other and even once in a while engage in humorous conversations when they come across each other on the streets or anywhere, im speaking of the maulana and the tamil pandit!
iskcon does not realise that by being friendlier and being more accessible to people, they will definitely attract a larger audience, especially if they have mcdo near them..
what about at qb, la bonne marmite (special krsna food) in between two chinese bars ?? (pork and beek snacks with rum and whiskies)
Without (in a way of saying things) forcing hindus or indian-looking mauritians to buy krsna books (check how the devotees at orchard centre try to sneak in the books inside your shopping bag on a sunday morn and whilst saying loads of good stuff about krsna n when you decide to go, they call and say HEY YOU DID NOT PAY! for wat? THE 3 KRSNA BOOKS IN YOUR SHOPPING BAG, IT’S A CURSE ! i saw ppl in the end pay but hell no for me ! i didnt ! ar moi nooooo… )
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Yashvin is doing a great job at being explicit and writin stuff open to issues that can be resolved in a jiffy but instead of in a jiffy, ben… ya beaucoup de fifi…
Sacrifice is a word that is ambiguous, meaning it has a lot to say about itself. We all sacrifice ourselves for any reason, any; i have a friend who’d walk 1 mile instead of paying for a bus trip to ebene just for an ice cream at leglaciermoderne at rosehill 🙂
Some ppl associate sacrifice with fasting: that’s not true; fasting comes by itself for oneself not for God; God never asked to fast, it’s for outselves !!
fasting is for the body and the soul and when the need arrives (it’s up to you to accept or refuse your own body or mind’s message but they do send you messages! like smses LOL, e.g. let’s eat just a salad today, nothing more when you’re used to mcdos all day… e.g. i feel the need for healthy veggie food without onion and garlic (iskcon makes food without that) so let’s go there
check my colleague’s place where he lives: a kovil next to a mosque! when there’s bakrid or marche sur le feu, ben…. y’a pas le feu, they respect each other and even once in a while engage in humorous conversations when they come across each other on the streets or anywhere, im speaking of the maulana and the tamil pandit!
iskcon does not realise that by being friendlier and being more accessible to people, they will definitely attract a larger audience, especially if they have mcdo near them..
what about at qb, la bonne marmite (special krsna food) in between two chinese bars ?? (pork and beek snacks with rum and whiskies)
Without (in a way of saying things) forcing hindus or indian-looking mauritians to buy krsna books (check how the devotees at orchard centre try to sneak in the books inside your shopping bag on a sunday morn and whilst saying loads of good stuff about krsna n when you decide to go, they call and say HEY YOU DID NOT PAY! for wat? THE 3 KRSNA BOOKS IN YOUR SHOPPING BAG, IT’S A CURSE ! i saw ppl in the end pay but hell no for me ! i didnt ! ar moi nooooo… )
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“what about at qb, la bonne marmite (special krsna food) in between
two chinese bars ?? (pork and beek snacks with rum and whiskies) ”
Wai do! Bien tapé sa kalott la!
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ISKCON is the one that needs to pack off. They don’t respect others
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i agree Bhooks.. u rite
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The smell of their vegetarian food has always in-convened me and prevented me from enjoying greasy-heart-stopping KFC.
I should bring them to court!!
B.
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@Chris:
YOU consider it sacred!! Be veg if you like animals this much!!
We choose who we want to be and what we want to eat!
Why does it bother you
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What about KFC, it smells just horrible and Mcdo, i never smell anything from them, they are not complaining about the KFC that is just some meters far from mcdo.
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Constitution.
Si coum sa al dans bois…laba au moins zot pas pou gagne okene lodeur, contact ar beef. Ridiculous
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@Tushal:
exact!
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@sheran jaddoo:
very well said!
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@ Chris
i kinda hate their veg food actually.
and really, who are they kidding?!
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I would like to add that protesting won’t do anything…it’s not like Mauritius is full of only vegetarians…pfff!!!
When I fast Michel eats non-veg and we even go out to buy some steak etc for him…it did not influence me in whatsoever way…
As long as you know who u are inside…the outside world is just pfff!!!
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mo 1 mauricienne avant lerla mo 1 hindoue. iskcon c plito 1 secte :/..
mone pass par 1 experience kine fer moi mett enta point dinterrogation lor iskcon. ek mti conten partaz sa ek zot.
tou les mardi ek vendredi – jour bazaar vacoas (oui mo res vacoas) ziss sa deux jour la ena plin dimune dans vacoas- ena deux tifi deboute emba magasin- zot demand largent o nom de krishna- soidisant 1 donation. mais bon a la longue li vine 1 form de begging!mais certe mo papa tou les temp done zot around r5-r25
mo deman moi ki zot fer ek cass ki zot gayer. pas fini pendant karem durga nawmi, 1 jour moi ek mo papa nune al decide pu al dans sa truc resto iskcon la to buy smthn veg- grande eT notre surprise ban dimune ki ”travay” laba zot bien foutant ek pas acceuillant ditou!!!
alor comme bhooks p dire- iskcon lev paker aller! ena plin lezot place encore cuma lor montagne vallee des pretres etc kot zot kav prier en toute sereniter ek dans verdure loin de pollution etc!!!!!!
aussi: vers 14-15hr nimporte kisanla pass devant phoenix beverages (ki vis a vis iskcon) zot pu senti 1 lodeur forte de ‘beer brewering’- mo deman moi si sa lodeur la pas fatig zot ://
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@ Sarah
Hi Sarah,
Woh,that was a direct shot. lol.
This is not about me, through it could,by analogy it has, for ex. some years ago I had one of my neighbours who started poultry farm next to my house, it did suck a lot. Like the smell and all.
What I wanna say is to step in the shoes of the other person. Why? Because else it dont make any sense.
Peace
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Hey Yowan
Who are you replying to. You copy your comment from defimedia and post it here. “my2cents” didn’t comment on this blog.
And anyway whatever you said, be it here or in defimedia, does not make any sense. Please, try to convey your point more clearly for the benefit of the readers.
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@yt
You said it all.
I who don’t pray. Go to Grand Bassin every January 1st accompanying my wife and kids. There are always ppl asking for donations. Irritating. I see myself being approached 5 to 6 times this year. I blasted all of them. Its always about building a new temple as if there are not enough in MU.
To my surprise ISKCON too was there. Wonder why as they gather money the whole year around. They are to be found in all town every day of the year. For me they are the greatest disturbance, I down want to see them wherever I go. If I want to go to Mc Do. I know where I should drive’ but ISKCON they kind of harass you every now and then.
And yes someone talked bout the service at Govinda. Pathetic not a smile not a good morning. They’ll only reply to hare krisna. ANother great annoyance from them is again at Grand Bassin for the maha shivratree now and then they will put all out with their music and sing to krisna and rama. I thought the Maha Shivratree was the night of Shiv. There are such a bug in the society. Not only in MU. Seen them with 500+ ppl walking on oxford st singing and collecting money and selling stuffs.
AND yes their devotees only hang around among themselves. What a fucking pain they are. Wonder what they talk about.. perhaps how to collect more money.
Cheers
B.
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@yt: Good point here, Phoenix brewery is close to Iskcon and you can smell the hops all around that area. I guess MacDo will use that argument too. Through this affair, I wonder if we are seeing a kind of intolerance growing amongst the various associations. It seems like fundamentalism is growing or at least a sectarianism attitude.
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@all,
I came to think of something that might be of some interest. The iskcon is selling veg food there.and it is the main food seller to its devotees. would the iskcon devotees not be interested in buying veg food from macdo. As far as i know macdo also sells veg burgers. The financial issue is also one point to consider since it would be having a direct competitor just metres away.and since they are so money minded this could be a big issue for them.
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Excerpt from what looks like an official press release from ISKCON
(http://www.iskcondesiretree.net/profiles/blogs/hindu-front-against-mcdo):
They entitled the article “Hindu front against McDo”
According to Das, the most important point for objection is the smell of food items made from beef and poultry. “This will bother the devotees who are vegetarian,†he said, adding that cow protection is a fundamental Hindu religious principle.
“The restaurant that proposes to start operations immediately next door to ISKCON is considered a symbol of cow slaughter. It is a prominent visual representative of the exact opposite of what we preach,†said Das.
ISKCON is working on a mega project where a new temple will be built. “This temple will be next to the new McDonald’s restaurant and only 34 metres will separate the two buildings. We are only asking that the new restaurant be relocated inside the food court,†he said.
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Nice finding Bernardo! 🙂
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Thinking of it…what if KFC paid ISKCON a huge money just to harass McDo?
Coz more than ISKCON, KFC Has direct competition here…lol!!!
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Manierr ki sa pe aller, zour ki ISKCON pou rode vinn faire tam-tam dans ou la-ri, li pou rode enn l’orde la-cour pou empess ou cuit enn BON rougaille bomli / poisson sounouk frirr dans ou lakaz parski le parfum pou trop tentant :->…
Bon appétit…
Enn lott ti-zaferr – commié ‘bon’ hindou zott capav été bann VOH/Kranti/Sipaki ki pou vinn mett néné dans sa débat-la: commié membres parmi zott ki vraiment vézétargnien la-dans?
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This is my second email from Sheran Jaddoo
U se this email for respective purposes, one of which concerns blogging, social networking, forums, etc… that was just so you know: equator lounge is a completely different personality from what i really am in real life
my only suggestion is to make iskcon devotees turn into diplomatic personalities so that they encourage ppl , non-iskconian ones, to adhere or at least respect them..
It’s so saddening to see iskconians nealrly or completely tarnishing the reputation and grandeur of almighty krsna
i hope krsna himself makes them see the light in a world full of hypoocrites and diplomatic ppl, where everything prevails and turn around a capitalism concept, which mauritius will soon turn into (especilly with SAfrincans and other foreigners investing in the country)
They might find this an obstacle in their processes to make mauritius a better country, financially and internationally speaking
i want the best out of iskcon, i dont want them to fall into a snakepit where they are all marginal …
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I would like to know if whether the odor coming from the beer factory doesn’t importunate the ISKON?
With the opening of McDo its us mauritian who will obtain jobs there.
@ everyone saying that McDo should have rent a space insides the food courts. Its McDo who invented the drive thru and it forms part of its corporate identity. As u mus b ware that KFC is already operating a drive thru, so it is “infra-structurally” impossible for the food court to accommodate another drive thru.
I would like to knw if another third party join in this struggle and voice out that they want McDo to operate. What will happen? This country belong to everybody.
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you made me laugh torpedo 🙂
i know where the new iskcon will be built.
but guys this is not a place where temples/mosques/churches can be built. its kinda a commercial place- multiple malls (jumbo/les halles) – condomium – road junctions with a huge traffic jam daily. i had a friend who lived 10 minutes from jumbo- it was a great harrassment with so much vehicles going through day and night.
i wonder if the noise and air pollution wont be a major disturbance for them!
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@yt,
Nice poooint ! .. How could they blind soo many people !! it was all in front of us !! Commercial place !!
Iskcon is conning us !! it has nothing to do with religious stuffs..!! it is a commercial place where they sell veg stuffs and where they take money from people in exchange of peace of mind !! lolzz
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i want to open a pig stall in front of your house. how do you feel?
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exactically!
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Hi “@u_r_stpd” 😛
Your name is great lol. You are completely taking a wrong exemple. I don’t think that the authorities will be giving the permits to open a pig stall in a residential area. Anyways, here are some points :
1. You might not be aware but before opening your pig stall, you need to display a notice and I would definitely oppose to your pig stall. The difference between mac do/iskcon and my case is that I opposed to the construction within the legal delay.
2. I won’t get hold of Hindu associations round the island to bring more people into the mess.
3. Most probably, I won’t be damaging your pig stall under construction. I would respect you and your assets.
4. If I tolerated a “cow shed”(Pour bien suivre to exemple, c la biere) a few meters from my house for years, I will definitely not find any inconvenience to have your pig stall there.
5. The final judgement will made by court.
and lastly, I won’t be writing “u_r_stpd” on a “name” field.
Cheers!
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Iskcon preach violence.
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@u_r_stpd—> You couldn’t have chosen a better name. LOL.
And concerning this:
u_r_stpd said:
i want to open a pig stall in front of your house. how do you feel?
Too bad. There’s not enough free earth infront or anywhere else near my house. Too bad. Next time, try opening a Macdo. It will be fun.
Cheers.
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To All those who are flaming and saying that they dont see where is the problem : Perhaps you have wrongly understood the subject matter, and i even believe the author wrongly exposed the matter. I do not think eating beef NEAR the iskon centre is the problem. They cant prevent anyone from eating what they want. That would be just plain stupid.
The real problem is the smell. Since most of the devotees are vegetarian and look up to that place as pure and clean. It wouldnt be nice if it smells macdo there. This is common sense.
I aint no vegetarian. I aint no iskon devotee. But hey, you are looking from the wrong point of view. Its about the smell. And i believe they have a point.
Simple analogy, if u hate noise, would u vote for a stone crushing factory to be built in front of your home? Thats it.
@Yashvin, be kind enough to mention the SMELL in the article as it is very misleading.
“Mac Donald offers menus including beef while Iskcon devotees (and hindous in general ) pray this animal” ~ this is invalid.
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How in the world is a pig stall similar to McDo?
A pig stall could be compared to a chicken or cattle stall but how can someone compare a fast food outlet to an animal stall? That sheer nonsense.
This u_r_stpd is either plain stupid or trolling the discussion.
Please good people, do not feed the trolls!
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@u_r_stpd
you are really stupid LOL to have taken such an example 🙂
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@Sun, please read the official and original ISKCON statement at http://www.iskcondesiretree.net/profiles/blogs/hindu-front-against-mcdo
On their own blog, they are complaining about “Symbolism” and “Visuals”. Their emphasis was on “Cow protection”, they did not talk about smell issues.
Yashvin’s article is on the point, you’re not.
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Vladimir Lenin, King Tut and the McDonald’s Happy Meal: What do they all have in common? A shocking resistance to Mother Nature’s cycle of decomposition and biodegradability, apparently.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20101012/bs_yblog_upshot/mcdonalds-happy-meal-resists-decomposition-for-six-months
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Chris on 27 January 2011 at 5:03 pm — “Guys, first of all, you’ll agree with me, when theres a Macdo in town, you do smell the food 10 miles away. A smell that tells u to eat there instead of dholl gros poids lacaz.”
In that case the people in McDonald could argue that the smell of incense is mingling with the smell of the food they are eating and is spoiling their pleasure. It should work both ways, shouldn’t it?
By the way, what would be an “acceptable” distance? I’d say there is around 300/400 metres between the McDonald building and the Iskcon building. What kind of radius would be okay? 1 km? 5 km? 10 km? 50 km? This is becoming tricky because it depends on purely subjective arguments. If I, as an individual, live 500 metres away from Hare Krishna Land, as it is called, would I be allowed to cook meet in my home? Why apply it to one (McDonald) and not the other (me)? Law isn’t supposed to discriminate between various parties.
But it’s true there is indeed a minimum (even if subjective) distance to be respected between people and what they may be regarding as pollution (be it noise pollution, visual pollution, atmospheric pollution and so on).
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Yt on 28 January 2011 at 8:33 pm — “this is not a place where temples/mosques/churches can be built. its kinda a commercial place- multiple malls (jumbo/les halles) – condomium – road junctions with a huge traffic jam daily. i had a friend who lived 10 minutes from jumbo- it was a great harrassment with so much vehicles going through day and night.
i wonder if the noise and air pollution wont be a major disturbance for them!”
Every now and then there is a huge gathering at Iskcon and there are cars parked everywhere along the (main) roads, on the various roundabouts and elsewhere. This is certainly good for Iskcon marketing, but not so good for the citizens who have nothing to do with them. Has anybody protested about this so far? Has any windscreen been smashed?
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BTW, hier enn kamrad ti pé dir moi ki chef Iskcon li enn blanc, enn boug kinn sanz so nom pou faire li vinn enn nom hindou. Vrémem sa ?
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Yeah i agree ISKON is a religious society..but how the hell is Mc Donald gonna cause inconvenience to their devotees?
They kinda need to grow up a lill’ bit…they ppl @ mc donald aint going to eat in the premises of ISKON or whatsoever…
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