Note : This is only my point of view…
You may not agree with me, and express ur own beliefs…
God is a figment of man’s imagination.
We YOU created him in our your undeniable lust for security and a need for purpose. God doesn’t exist. Until evidence is given to support His existence, no rational thinker can put faith into religion.
Its not a secret, I simply never believed in god…
Everybody in my surroundings know well how much i care for him, to such extent that during any hindou fast, i have either Chicken or lol “Mo saucisse et mo disefs” (copyright @mong colleagues)
I found no reason y i should follow those millions of ppl praying to those imaginary ‘creatures’ but nevertheless, i do respect their way of life…
One simple example, i quoted this today @ work….
This Sunday, i read in 5-Plus that a few hindou devotees owned their life to the “Kawal” they built and were carrying back to their village after their pilgrimmage to Grand Bassin. Some driver has unfortunately lost control of his car, hit with 3 of them and struck with the Kawal.
Those pilgrims feel that without their “kawal”, they would have probably lost their life…
If instead of wandering on the street, on their way to pray to ‘Him’, they would probably be at home and none of them would have been hurt in anyway, nor would have his leg plastered! lol !
The only times i go to Grand Bassin, is when we go out for Plucking Goyaves de Chine or for a picnic somewhere, with lots of food in the car 🙂
I think its the 4th year i havent gone there to “pray”…
Quite often, i like to question people:
To croire dan bondier?
While some of them would answer by a firm “OUI”, a few of them would reply back “wi imper imper”
How can u believe in something “imper”?
Its either a YES or a NO!
One simple reason y (some) ppl (especially youngsters) believe foolishly in God is because since their birth, they have been always been taught that ‘the one above’ will always here to help you in ur bad times, you must pray constantly, blabla….its because the way you were brought up.
just ask ur parents, they will continue the paragraph…
Not believing in god, keeps me open minded, enables me to understand other people in my surroundings, without first asking myself “hey malbar sa, non lascar, or even nation sa!”
Not believing in god gives me the liberty to believe in other things, use that time in a more constructive way doing things i like, spending time with PEOPLE WHO REALLY EXIST, instead of believing that one day, my wishes will be realized, probability -0.01 …
And what if its purely a coincidence that ur wish has been fulfilled?
Have u ever thought of that?
As said someone : “L’espoir fait vivre les imbeciles….”
I have stopped counting the number of time i get clashes at home, just because i dont follow the beliefs of my parents or my surroundings, or because i eat things which a hindou is not supposed to eat….
Hey u indian guy/gurl, have u ever tried Porc/Beef?
No? Perhaps you need to give it a try!
& what if one day u have nothing to eat, except some delicious miam miam, porc/beef meat?
God’ if ever u r reading my blog and dont like wat am saying here,
you, who possess all those powers,
ban my blog,
make my server hard disk crash,
Oh god, u can do everything, ya, really everything!
& y dont u leave a comment btw? LOL
Pli laho monn fer enn errer ; lir : Enn lot zafer ki ZAME OKENN SCIANTIFIK ZAME PA POU KAPAV EKSPLIKE : avan Big Bang KI TI ENA ?
[ 1 segonn avan ? 1000 milliar l’anne avan ? ]
Mone all tyek impe bann info lor l’orizinn l’iniver . Do You Believe In Science [ /Scientists/Scientific Theories ] !? Aster ena otan sciantifik ki kwar ek ki pa kwar dan Big Bang . Monn remarke oussi ki boukou bann ki kwar dan Big Bang ena tendans apiy zot argiman avek l’afirmasyon ki seki dir lekontre enn bann cretin . Ena lezot teori lor form l’iniver : e.g. enn inn kalkile ki l’iniver ena form enn sandal moustik , Dapre enn lot kalkil li ena plito form enn sipek .
Teori l’Evolisyon ? Mo trouv 3 nivo kapav pran sa mo evolisyon la :
1 : dimounn naze ziska lame ek lipie vinn lapatkanar . Ou byen ziraf manz bann fey pli laho ziska so likou vinn long . POSSIB !
2 : dimounn naze ziska ressi respir anba delo . PLI DIFISIL !
3 : dimounn naze ziska vinn doffin . Ou byen zako vinn dimoune , pwason vnn serpan , serpan vinn mamifer ,serpan vinn z’oizo , enn n’espes amib ou bacteri vinn pwason . SA MO PA KWAR !
Teori l’Evolisyon affirm bann zistwar kouma dan sa 2em ek 3em nivo la me li apiy li lor bann evolisyon 1ye nivo pou defann so ka .
Get enn detay pli pre . Lizye : enn bacteri pe evolye pe vin pwason ; li pena lizye , pwason ena ; li pena la servel , pwason bizin ena enn -kan mem betbet pou decod seki lizye capte . Etan sa lizye la pe forme li pa servi nanye . La servel la oussi parey , pena okenn itilite li develop capacite pou decod z’imaz si lizye pankor ekziste .
Pendan sa period developma la [ komye mil banane ? ] bacteri-pwason la pou aveg ! Koumadir enn kote Cromagnon pe fabrik enn prosesser san ki li ena kik n’ide ki li pou fer ar sa , lot kote Neandertal pe fabrik enn diskdir san kone ki sa kapav ete . San kone oussi ki dan plizyer milye banane ki sa pou vinn itil .
Ena koumsa boukou kiksoz ki ni la scians ni la relizion pa kapav ni prouve ni invalid l’idee inverse . Zot tou le de byen souvan depann lor zis lafwa mem si bann atheist pa dispoze pou admet ki la scians inn vinn zot relizion .
Mwa , mo pa al okenn l’egliz , me , MO KWAR Bondie ekziste .
Mo kwar oussi ki :
Li pa dwa ni mwa ni personn nanye
Li pa bizin ni taper ni avoca [ena dimounn rod amenn sa bann rol la]
Bondie , relizion , pret se 3 zafer diferan
Bondie pa babysitter l’imanite , sakenn bizin pran so sarz
Si Bondie pa ti donn dimounn liberte pense , nou ti pou bann marionet
I must say, you’ve made your points well! But I (respectfully) beg to differ.
My first rebuttal is in relation to your question of “avant Big Bang ki ti ena”. What was there one minute before the Big Bang, a million years before the Big Bang. In my opinion, la question ne se pose meme pas, because time only began at the Big Bang. According to me, the reason why people ask that question is because they conceive time as “clock-time”, day-and-night time, which is neatly divided into 24 parts because of the revolution of the Earth around the Sun and around itself.
Time, when referred to in the context of the universe and its formation, is something else. Its a dimension, like length, width, height; it’s the 4th dimension. And as such, it can only begin when the universe begins. Professor Stephen Hawking explains it magnificently:
“one can get rid of the problem of time having a beginning in a similar way in which we got rid of the edge of the world [that is, the Earth is round, with no beginning and no end.] Suppose the beginning of the universe was like the South Pole of the earth, with degrees of latitude playing the role of time. The universe would start as a point at the South Pole. As one moves north, the circles of constant latitude, representing the size of the universe, would expand. To ask what happened before the beginning of the universe would become a meaningless question because there is nothing south of the South Pole.”
Now, concerning your affirmation that the universe would have been spherical had the Big Bang really occurred. I dont know, I havent really read about it. But I did watch a documentary about the M-theory once, where the scientists were indeed talking about spherical universes. Not universe, universes! According to them, outside our universe, there exist parallel universes, all of which are spherical in shape. Imagine a child blowing air bubbles, that’s how these universes are supposed to look like. And when they collide, a phenomenal amount of energy is released: the Big Bang.
That theory took care of the problem of singularity, but it does appear to conflict with Hawking’s contention that the universe has no boundary, at least from my viewpoint. Hawking affirms that only if the universe has no boundary can the laws of science apply to it. So, yes, I’m not sure about the shape of the universe, and the person who can give a definite answer as to that deserves a Nobel Prize, as you rightly said!
Regarding evolution, my view is that people often tend to misunderstand Darwin’s theory. They reduce it to “Man descended from monkeys” and make it sound as if one day, a pregnant monkey gave birth to a Tarzan-like human, or that one day, all monkeys started transforming into humans in a matter of minutes.
All these sound too literal, and I’ve been dying to get my hands on ‘Origin of Species’ so that I can read for myself what Darwin claimed. And I do seem to remember another documentary I watched, which explained evolution and which went along these lines: man and monkeys had a common ancestor, man did not descend directly from monkeys. That common ancestor evolved into 2 “branches” (for want of a better term!), and the more dominant of these “branches” evolved into man, while the other “branch” died out, according to the survival-of-the-fittest rule also propounded by Darwin. But the details are sketchy, for unfortunately, I was quite young when I watched that.
I know that science doesnt have all the answers, but I feel that it has a helluva lot more answers than religion. Whenever science fails to give an answer, religion takes it as being proof of the veracity of its contentions. It really does appear, then, that religion is “innocent until proven guilty”, that is, its stands only as long as science cant bring it down, and that is not much ground to stand on, is it?
I went through your comments several times , to see if maybe I’ll find something that will make me change my views . That’s my habitual way of looking at things ; I think one should not cling stubbornly to one’s beliefs .
But , I must point out one thing : the Big Bang and the origin of species are not my favorite topics and I’ll ask to be excused from debates on those subjects . I mentioned them only because they are the ATHEIST’S PRIME ARGUMENTS to refute the existence of God .
If you think again , the paragraph beginning with ‘Time , when referred to ‘ is a very unscientific affirmation . The professor you quote ‘get[s] rid of the problem ‘ [frivolously , as scientists sometimes do]of time with a not so obvious comparison . Does he really KNOW what he is talking about ? Anyway , someone should have answered him that south of the south pole there IS something : the universe .
There is ONE universe . No telescope is needed to see that , just common sense . Whatever more will be discovered in space in the next centuries , will still be just be part of THE universe .
Try expanding yourself in all directions and you’ll end up being a sphere . Please , don’t believe any scientist who say otherwise .
About the theory of evolution , if you re-read me , you will see that I don’t contest the possibility of very advanced ‘mechanical’ change in species and am quite prepared to believe that .
What I contest is BASING [frivolously ,again] the candid affirmation that vertebrates evolved from a unicellular animal SOLELY on the fact that advanced ‘mechanical’ evolution is possible .
There are actually very few people – I don’t know any – who believe in God because science does not have all the answers .
Religion stands on much more solid ground than you think . It is based on the realization that Man is much higher than animals whose purpose is only finding food and reproducing .
Man is much higher , not because of his superior intelligence , but because of the EMPTINESS which he can sometimes feel even in times of abundance , even in the company of his family and his friends . Because of the desperate feeling that something essential is missing.
Religion is also the sole basis of moral conduct . It is unscientific to consider murder ,rape or theft as crimes [survival of the fittest , etc]
I hope I don’t sound like the one who think he knows it all . Wording that reply less assertively would take too much space .
You know, I don’t think scientists of the calibre of Stephen Hawking or the M-theorists base their contentions on anything less solid than years and years and years of scientific, mathematical analysis the complexity of which we cannot even begin to imagine. Thats why I trust what they say (provided of course that they have the calibre).
Stephen Hawking is the most brilliant man after Einstein, and certainly has the most brilliant mind of the scientific world of today. When he gave the South Pole example, he stated clearly that the lines of latitude are to be considered as the expansion of the universe, such that the closer one gets to the South Pole (the beginning of the universe), the circumference of those lines of latitudes gets smaller, until they disappear at the South Pole. Thats what Hawking means by saying its meaningless to ask what there was in the universe before the Big Bang. The South Pole example is self-contained, i think you took it a bit too literally, if i may humbly say so! 🙂
Speaking of Time as a dimension is not, in my opinion, unscientific; in fact, it’s as scientific as can be! Let’s put it this way: before the Big Bang, there was nothing in the universe; there was not even a universe. When the Big Bang occurred, everything was created, INCLUDING the dimensions, of which Time is one. I suggest you read Einstein’s Special Theory of Relativity for a deeper understanding of this concept, for I concede that it’s not an easy one to grasp!
I’m also feeling inclined to add something about what I said concerning parallel universes. It’s a new concept, certainly, but it’s also got its merits, if we’re willing to see them. It explains why gravity is the weakest force in nature, reconciles quantum physics with the general theory of relativity, and basically offers an explanation for everything (that’s why it’s also called the Theory of Everything, which Einstein himself had started working on).
Of course, I’m saying all these with almost offensive brevity, but I believe that further and better understanding can be afforded by a reading of the theories of Hawking, Einstein, Penrose and the like.
For the record, I’m not an atheist. I’m in fact a fervent believer in God, I pray on my own volition, because I believe in the psychological power of prayers, and I can honestly discourse as well on the Ramayana as I can on cosmology! As I said in a post much above, a belief in science and a belief in God are not mutually exclusive.
Ushna ,Ushna ,Ushna ,
The subject of the blog post is ‘Do you believe in God ‘ . If it was ‘Do you believe in Science ‘I would not have bothered to comment ‘ Now don’t jump to conclusions : I don’t think Earth is flat like a tekwa .
In my opinion , that other guy who calculated the size of this planet with remarkable precision based only on the different length of the shadows of two sticks of the same size ,at the same time ,at different latitudes was slightly more brilliant than Einstein .
You keep misreading me , I don’t feel like getting involved in your scientific jargon ; until the origin ,shape or whatever of the universe
has any immediate bearing on the lives of people or the fate of humanity , I ,personally , won’t bother .
Those who devote their time to such research have my encouragements , though . And I don’t mind updating on how far science has reached , regularly .
Stop drinking what scientists say like panacon [[ the best drink after beer and alouda ]] That is the stuff that makes you think I am too literal about things . As I said in my first comment THEORY MEANS SUPPOSITION , intelligent supposition ,certainly , but nothing more than supposition .
I did not find the post you mentioned , but in your comment dating 18/05/10 [ last paragraph ] you seem to say something contrary .
I ,for one , think that belief in God does not exclude belief in Science . But I also think there some frivolous scientific theories [trying to pass as proven ]around ,just as there are some backward, insane religious speeches from stupid ,hypocritical priest [ trying to pass as ‘men of God’]
I also think you are [almost?] as brilliant as your idol [sorry , I could not find the right word ]. And that you are only pretending not to find any sense in what I say .
I’d like to hear more from you – but on other subjects !
Enn ti zistwar ; an fet tradiksyon enn poem depi klas literatir form 2 
ABHU BEN ADEN
Enn swar Abhu ben Aden so somey kase , li trouv enn anz dan so lassam , sipa ki pe ekrir . Li dimann li ‘Ki ou pe fer ? ‘
Anz la dir li ‘Mo pe ekrir nom tou bann ki swiv seki relizion dir ‘
Li dimande ‘Mo ‘si mo ladan?
Anz la reponn : Twa non !
Impe sagrin , Abhu ben Aden dir : Abe , mark mwa parmi bann ki’nn viv san okenn lahenn pou lezot .
Lendime swar , so somey rekase , li retrouv anz la pe ekrir .
Li dmande :Zordi , ki ou pe ekrir ?
Anz dir mo : Mo pe fer la list bann seki Bondie consider so dimounn .
Li fini ekrir li montre Abhu so la list
Tyek sa enn kou !! Abhu ben Aden so nom sorti an tet !
The problem is not so much if whether god exists or not. No human knows the answer to this question, however convincing he/she may sound while defending his point of view. The real problem lies with organized religion which is so obviously man-made and whose sole purpose is to control people and to stifle free will.
If you seem so eager to dismiss of all the theories surrounding the origins of the universe with such arrogance, then the next time you get sick i suggest just pray or do nothing and hope for the best. For your information, modern Medicine is also Science; which has been refined over many centuries of theories and experiments.
Oh no, you won’t do that of course, because you will only dispute something as long as it has no immediate effect on your petty life.
Between your point of view and that of Stephen Hawkins,Carl Sagan,Isaac Newton,Einstein etc… I know which one i’ll take.
Before replying to Ushna , I read her comments and tried to understand what she had to say . I suggest you do the same , if you are to comment on me .
I posted 2 comments in kreol , 2 replies to Ushna and a short story on that page . Maybe that’s too long reading .
I prefer arguments to invectives . But ,no sweats , I’ll -sort of – answer you .
1: I said I BELIEVE IN GOD ;but also that I DON’T TRUST RELIGION .
I’ll believe without proof – [stupid me]
2 : I don’t dismiss all theories concerning the origin of the universe.
I don’t even exactly HOW MANY CONTRADICTING THEORIES there are .
These days scientists who believe in the Big Bang form an exotic minority .
3 : I feel uneasy about the word ‘arrogance’ though .I can address the universe arrogantly if I feel like ,I’m sure it won’t mind . But I must say I wrote my last reply with some irritation and went a bit over the top.
I had even thought of rewriting it , then I preferred to think [another aspect of my pettiness ] that an intelligent person would understand sometimes comments in blogs are not worded like poetry and would take things with a grain of salt .
I definitely should have rewritten that last reply .
4 : I fail to see how believing in the Big Bang has a mandatory connection with believing in medical science .
5 : Medical research is not based on just stating theories but trying to be sure not to make mistakes and to find true proven solutions . I’ll trust Medicine and I’ll also pray – Please don’t mind .
6 : I’ll persist . Even if that’s petty! , theories on the universe will continue to be of less than secondary interest to me .
My immediate concerns : pc issues [Win7 acted like the boss so threw it away and reinstalled xp ; then I remembered xp keep crashing and is very attractive to viruses ; why does free avg detect viruses while the registered one allowed them to destroy every file on my hard drive. Why is Pc-bsd allergic to traces of Realtek on my hdrive ; when will developers of Linux realize that to get rid of Windows once and all the first thing they have to do is to get the system to recognize all/any modems .]
7 : other interests : the extinction of several tuna species due to EU overfishing ; anything connected to flight or aircraft technology ; space travel ; research on spinal cord injury ; learning to play the guitar at 50 ,learning a new [african ]language ; trying to always be honest and sincere in what I say .
8 : still other interests : trying to figure out if Mauritius has good prospects for the future ; the origin of the universe [hey!hey!heeey!] ;trying to find beauty in porn [soon giving up on that one] ; the word-speller : sometimes it underlines in red correctly spelled words .
9 : If anybody adopts MY POINTS OF VIEWS , he should do so with caution : I’m a jealous , possessive guy . You are better off adopting OTHER POINTS OF VIEWS .
You’ll be even better off developing YOUR POINTS OF VIEWS .
10 : You have a different spelling for Stephen Hawkin? . Which one is correct ?
Well firstly i retract the arrogance from my previous post,since you obviously did not mean it that way.
Science is trying to answer the question as to the why and how of our presence on this planet.It all started with that quest.Everything else came out this primal curiosity of the human existence including Medicine.
You say there are no theories in Medicine; well there was a theory once that suggested that letting blood when a person was ill would cure that person.Time proved this wrong.Same thing for the different theories about the universe except these make an attempt to understand something infinitely greater than the human body. Theoretical physics is a notoriously complex discipline. The level of understanding it has reached now means its difficult for common people (like me) to understand everything that comes out of it. However i’d rather put my faith into science rather than religion. Some of this research will be proved right or wrong over time, but at least their research is based on empirical evidence unlike religion which is based on fairy tales. Its a journey that started with the ancient Greeks and still continuing today with people like Stephen Hawking (thks for pointing that out). We do owe these scientists tremendous respect i think.
The big bang is still a theory you are right (thats why the word theory is still appended to it).No-one knows at present for sure if its a certainty. For ex scientists are still trying to understand the unusually high temperatures in the furthest points from the center of the universe, which are in contradiction with what the theory suggests. However, at present all the evidence at our disposal, points to it as the most viable explanation.
In any case you seem to have a original take on these things, even though i personally disagree with them.
O.k then , let’s agree to disagree .
I agree that the subject at hand is “Do you believe in god?”, and my answer is “Yes, I do”, but I don’t believe that God created the universe the way it’s said in the Bible or whatever religious book, i don’t believe that he created Man the way it’s said in the aforementioned texts. So how do I believe the universe and Man were created? I believe in very scientific theories as to their creation. This is how science gets into this debate.
You seem very down-to-earth when you say “until the origin ,shape or whatever of the universe has any immediate bearing on the lives of people or the fate of humanity , I ,personally , won’t bother”. I respect your point of view, you’re right in your own way. But other people do bother about these, because of their insatiable curiosity and their desire to always get to the bottom of things. And then, scientific quests like these do have a bearing on people’s everyday lives, because of what is termed as spin-offs. These are invented in the course of a scientific experiment, and then pass into everyday usage. Off the top of my head, i can think of coatings for cars, photovoltaic cells, methods of detection of anti-personnel mines, or ways of preventing baby cot-deaths. These were all the results of space exploration.
Then you advised me to “Stop drinking what scientists say like panacon”. Advice taken, if a bit out of order! I’d like to apologise if i seem to base everything i say on some scientific fact, but i live in an environment in which you do not say something unless you have a basis for it, so you could say it’s ingrained! Sorry if i come across as a scientific-version-of-panacon drinker because of that! 😉
I guess we’ll just have to part our own ways as far as the Big Bang is concerned, though i believe, contrarily to what you’ve said (that proponents of that theory form a minority today), that the Big Bang Theory is believed by the majority of scientists to be the accepted model of creation of the universe.
Concerning the earlier post of mine which i referred you to, i posted under the name of anikka, thats why you couldnt find it! Its dated 9 march 2009.
And as far as my other interests are concerned, they range from disney movies to law and political theories, passing through vocal music, harry potter, the complexity of the human brain, creative writing and great literary works.
As a parting shot, i’d like to thank you for the compliment! That I’m almost as brilliant as Stephen Hawking, that’s a helluva thing to say! I’m over the moon! 😀
About the panacon and even more about the general tone of my comment , I must admit I did not show you proper respect . Irritation does not excuse anything .
I am sincerely sorry for the tone and hope you believe me .
I checked your post signed Anikka . ( double identities allowed ? )
I listed some of my interests , hobbies and worries in response to Krishnen ,who does not know me , stating my ‘life’ was ‘petty’ just because I won’t put theories on the universe on top of my priorities . For more than 25 years people around me ,family and friends , have behaved as if I was the only unselfish ,trustworthy , reliable person around ; while recovering? from an accident suffered 2 years ago I realized that I may indeed be the only person of the type in my neighborhood . I’m not bitter about it ,I have a stoic character and try to keep an open and serene mind despite circumstances . -That’s personal ,of course ,and I hope no one comments on that paragraph -I mention that only because I feel a bit ashamed of having been really hurt by a word I would have shrugged off before .
I like disney films too ,and concerning the brain my interest is more focused on nerve repair and anything related to that : axons ,stem cells , chondroitinase or chinese olfactory implants[ which western research does not quite trust ].Free information is scarce though and I’ve a tight budget .
I thought I owe it to you to check on Stephen Hawking .I searched on the web ,found some warning that aliens would probably be hostile and a new idea on how to visit the universe : an enormous rocket travelling at the speed of light that would not be able to return . Passengers would rely for the return journey on an alternative better device to have been invented while they are away . I was not impressed.
But I’ll bet he has some more serious ideas as you admire him so much.
I like to think that the average person is an intelligent enough one . You are more than average -you think so too .I was not being ironic . Stephen Hawking fits in a field where average persons would be out of place , but [ here I go again ( but let’s not argue about it) ] I don’t think he is a genius . Einstein ,for example IS a genius .
To you also, I propose that we agree to disagree
For other persons who read that blog ,I hope even those who disagree with me found something in what said . I don’t think I’ll write any further on that page , so future comments may remain unanswered .
@Sagitarius : I agree too. I think that all of you have brought forward loads of points to justify their position about their belief in god. We should respect the decision of others, despite having our own point of view on certain subjects. You might agree, we have to put this to a stop else the page will keep on growing and it will never end.
So, I invite all of you (Sagitarius , Ushna, krishnen) to agree and respect each other’s point. If any of you wish to continue the debate, let me know. I might share your email addresses among you so that you can have a more serious discussion 🙂
Thanks a lot for participating. I really enjoyed reading what each of you said during the last days 😉
(and it was enriching too)
I do believe you are a sincere person, so apology accepted! 🙂
About my double identity, i used to post as Anikka earlier (just a whim!), but then I wrote a guest article on this blog itself, so i had to divulge my real identity, and I’ve kept posting under Ushna ever since!
You have a strong character, you hold firm to your beliefs without being blinded by them, and God knows how much I respect that. Thats why my first sentence to you was “I think you made your points well”. And even if i disagree with you on a lot of points, that doesnt preclude me from appreciating how you are true to yourself.
So yes, let’s just agree to disagree! If I might just say so, you could read Stephen Hawking’s book, Black Holes and Baby Universes, it really allows you to delve into his mind and see what he’s really about. Just in case you’re interested!
With that, I wish you best of luck with your life!
God exists. If you believe, that’s called faith in believing. If you dont believe, that’s called faith in not believing. 🙂
We inhale oxygen, we dont see it, but we believe in it.
So why we have to see God to believe His existence?
Lame! We cannot see Oxygen but we know it exists, but do you have an evidence of your God? ZERO! Your statement is purely involved logical fallacy!
God doesn’t exist, its simply people who invented it as they did not understand how things work, science can explain everything.
god is in only present in people who have faith in it.
@Yowan: Ok using ur own science explain to me what happens after you die. What happens to that feeling of existing in this world. What you see through your eyes. What you understand as long as you are alive. But when u die what happens? Have you tried thinking abt it? Does everything just goes blank and numb after your body get’s cold? What happens to urself? Use your science and try to explain that…
Thats simple when u die everything stored in your memory fades away as no O2 is being supplied to the brain, all vital functions including chemical reactions in the brain cortex stop.
Feelings just disappear as the brain is no longer active
Don’t just belive in what you read, especially from wikipedia … Apply some reasoning to it as well. Science has its own limitations.
Does your brain tell you what to do, or do you tell it what to do ? The brain is simply a ‘processor’ for the body, requiring you to operate it. You, being the spirit, the controller !
If you follow my reasoning, then when you die, the brain is dead, however your spirit is still here. After death, science has no explanation as to what happens, hence we have to move into spirituality.
I prefer to have faith in what makes sense to me as opposed to believing in popular beliefs …
I agree here with Jing.
Yovan’s statement here implies that as long as the heart beats you are alive and you feel everything. But what is the mechanism that keeps it beating? And how can you be so sure that whatever you have experienced in your whole lifetime just fades away like that and if that is the case then why are we living? If science can explain everything then how does it explain the process of life and death? Why does someone who is born has to die one day? Why can’t we fine a solution where no one dies, everyone becomes immortal? Or stays young forever? Is there a scientific explanation for that?
Whatever you tried to explain to me through Wikipedia is just a theory about what they were able to find out on how a part of the human body works that’s all. But it has got no concrete explanation that yes, everything is lost into thin air the moment you die.
And the fact that many people trying to differentiate the belief of God against Science here is really not a comparison to be made. There is really no difference between what these two try to explain. The only thing is that science is just a language that is different from the language of the belief in god. It just the way things are explained are different but in fact both of them mean the same thing. U might try to take many examples the way science explain something and the way a religious belief explains the same scenario. The way both explain the case might be different, but in the end both of them mean the same thing. If some people here get the chance, there are some holy scripts that have existed since long long ago that illustrate the same things that you read in your science books that have been existing since a few years.
This was the first time i have come to your blog not that i was searching on god just got page on one of the search engines, was finding sumthing else but saw this looked interesting.i would just to share what i feel there are so many things in this world which are not seen just felt. do you actually see anyone’s love for you but that can be felt ..if god is not there why everything happens for good??? What ever happens happens for a reason…how come everything is so planned…..it may be a coincident….but i have actually felt whatever has with me has happened for a reason i may not in very good position but that also has a reason to it…..
yes I do
To those who believe in that delusion called god: you’ll only know when you die, which I hope will be soon enough to rid this planet of destructive forces of your religions.
I don’t because Science has explained(and is explaining more as we discover more) everything. Old practices have no longer a place in modern society where people use their brain to think for plausible explanations instead of just being “brainwashed” by old and outdated thoughts
Hello you ppl out there!!!
This is a very delicate topic that you are all discussing here!
I thank the author for raising such a topic and all the commentators out there who shared their respected opinions!
Wat is God? Does it exist? Do you believe in God?: “yes..no…imP!”
Is this subject of God a real fing or an old-fashioned belief? Why should i believe in the existence of a supreme God?? And the list of questions continues in all the minds out there!!!
Have you guyz ponder about how did the universe was created or formed?
“The Big Bang explosion, The Mini-Bangs, fusion/expansion/reactions btw chemical/nuclear substances….”
Is this the answer of anyone of you?
If anyone of you have never heard about terms mentioned above, google it! Go and read about the formation of this universe.
After being equipped with all the info, what do you deem to tell me??
“Science explains evryhtng clearly! From the formation till the end of the Universe, science has already exploited and predict evrythng!”
THEN IF YOUR SCIENCE IS EVERYTHING, WHY DON’T YOU USE ALL OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND TECHNOLOGIES TO CREATE ANOTHER UNIVERSE?? ATLEAST ANOTHER PLANET (SINCE OUR POOR EARTH IS ALREADY FACING LOADS OF GLOBAL WARMING PROBLEMS AND MAKING LIFE DIFFICULT)!!????
CAN YOU ATLEAST JUST BUILD A SINGLE PIECE OF THIS UNIVERSE????
CAN YOU CREATE A HUMAN BEING???? ATLEAST THE NOSE OF A BABY??? THE EYE PERHAPS??? HIS LILLTE FINGER RATHER???
CAN YOU CREATE A SINGLE PIECE OF A HUMAN BEING AS THE ORIGINAL ONE???? CAN YOU????
NOO!!!! You are sadly mistaken if you think that science can create all that!!
Then, WHO CREATED ALL THESE???
Even if you say that the chemical substances found reacted on their own to give rise to the universe, then, FROM WHERE DID THAT INITIAL SUBSTANCE COME FROM?????? NOTHING CAN HAPPEN ON ITS OWN!!!!!
THERE SHOULD BE A SUPREME POWER, ABOVE ALL THIS THAT HAS CREATED IT ALL!!!! DONT YOU FINK SO????
OH YOU YOUTH OUT THERE, STOP FOR A WHILE, PONDER ABOUT THE CREATIONS OF ALL THE STUFFS AROUND YOU! YOU WILL FIND A MANUFACTURER FOR EVERYTHING!! HAVE YOU FOUND THE MANUFACTURER OF THE UNIVERSE???
NOT ABLE TO FIGURE OUT??????
THERE’S ONLY ONE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION! TELL IT URSELF!!
MAY YOU ALL BE GRANTED GUIDANCE!
Either you live under a rock or you just don’t have any common sense……
â€œThe Big Bang explosion, The Mini-Bangs, fusion/expansion/reactions btw chemical/nuclear substancesâ€¦.â€
—It has been scientifically proved, the facts and evidence is all here… Wikipedia is your friend
“CAN YOU CREATE A HUMAN BEING???? ATLEAST THE NOSE OF A BABY??? THE EYE PERHAPS??? HIS LILLTE FINGER RATHER???
CAN YOU CREATE A SINGLE PIECE OF A HUMAN BEING AS THE ORIGINAL ONE???? CAN YOU????”
—Yes it CAN be achieved, human DNA has been FULLY synthesized and artificial human fetuses were ALREADY created in labs (but destroyed afterwards)
“THEN IF YOUR SCIENCE IS EVERYTHING, WHY DONâ€™T YOU USE ALL OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND TECHNOLOGIES TO CREATE ANOTHER UNIVERSE??”
—It CAN be achieved, if you don’t even know what CERN is… Google is your friend
There is just not enough energy on our planet to create such things. Obviously it will be achieved in the next millennium
“NOO!!!! You are sadly mistaken if you think that science can create all that!!
Then, WHO CREATED ALL THESE???”
—The big bang and we are the result of evolution
“Even if you say that the chemical substances found reacted on their own to give rise to the universe”
—Who said that??, total nonsense. How can substances react without energy. Obviously you don’t even have a good knowledge of chemistry
“THERE SHOULD BE A SUPREME POWER, ABOVE ALL THIS THAT HAS CREATED IT ALL!!!! DONT YOU FINK SO????”
—Gimme a concrete proof
“OH YOU YOUTH OUT THERE, STOP FOR A WHILE, PONDER ABOUT THE CREATIONS OF ALL THE STUFFS AROUND YOU! YOU WILL FIND A MANUFACTURER FOR EVERYTHING!! HAVE YOU FOUND THE MANUFACTURER OF THE UNIVERSE???”
—You are mistaken, at least the younger generation learns about real-life things and are not been “brainwashed” by old stories about great powers. At least once use your ‘common sense’ and your brain before making baseless conclusions.
Older generations did no even know how things basically work, assuming that all this was created by “powers” is senseless
AT LEAST THE YOUNGER GENERATION IS MORE EDUCATED THAN JUST LOSING THEIR TIME ON STUPIDITIES
“NOT ABLE TO FIGURE OUT??????
THEREâ€™S ONLY ONE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION! TELL IT URSELF!!”
— You can’t deny the facts, just go and learn more for you to understand instead of just saying nonsense
The humans are a young specie, science is answering more and more questions as we progress. You can’t just keep saying nonsense about all these since there is a scientific explanation for everything
This is my favorite page , so I find it hard to resist making comments..
Reading is [or was] my hobby . These days I don’t read much . When I was younger ,it was not just a hobby in fact it was a passion .At 12 I was reading more books in a month than most people in Mauritius would ever read in their lifetime .
It was at that age ,I remember , that I read Lady Chatterley’s lover . But more than the countless novels ,it was in books on scientific topics , on history ,geography ,ethnology ,on astronomy or on religious and spiritual themes that I was most intensely interested.
Once -I was then 16- I spent three days on a book on nuclear science , that had been thrown away by a french diplomat leaving Mauritius , to make it dry so I could read it .
But I was not not a typical youth , those of my age were definitely not that interested in reading / learning .
From observation , I think the same can said on today’s youth . This generation have better facilities for studying but that does not mean that they are -or care to be- more educated .
They may be more intelligent ,though , for I , of the old generation , despite every thing I’ve learned , believe in God .
On that matter I am , proudly , with the stupids .
For all his intelligence , the young may profer stupidities while trying to prove his point . Things like ‘Wikipedia is your friend’ . Wikipedia may be practical to get an idea what a subject, a word you are new to ,is about ; but don’t rely on it for exact information . It is quite frequent to find inaccuracies on Wikipedia .
[The series Kyle XY is a fiction . No human foetus has ever been created artificially .]
Early Foetus WERE created artificially, You don’t even know what you are talking about
“The first hybrid human clone was created in November 1998, by American Cell Technologies. It was created from a man’s leg cell, and a cow’s egg whose DNA was removed. It was destroyed after 12 days. Since a normal embryo implants at 14 days, Dr Robert Lanza, ACT’s director of tissue engineering, told the Daily Mail newspaper that the embryo could not be seen as a person before 14 days. While making an embryo, which may have resulted in a complete human had it been allowed to come to term, according to ACT: “[ACT’s] aim was ‘therapeutic cloning’ not ‘reproductive cloning'””
WIKIPEDIA!!! haha.. a big joke!!!!
YOU CAN CREATE HUMAN BEINGS?????? U CREATE FETUS????? hehe..
U DON’T DO ANYTHING APART FROM MATING THE SPERM CELL TO THE OVUM IN THE REQUIRED CONDITIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THEN FROM WHERE DID YOU GOT ZAT SPERM CELL THAT U EJACULATE????? U CREATED IT??????? HAVE U BEEN ABLE TO CREATE SUCH A CELL????????
U R JUST USING WAT WAS ALREADY EXISTING!!!!!!!!!!
N have u been able to create parts of human??? you indeed create artificial fings, resembling the original one, but u could never create one EXACTLY as the original one!!!! Wen a person is blind, u take an eye from a recently dead person n tryy to fix him, but you don’t use ur technologies n materials to build one n replace that!!!!
NEVER COULD YOU CREATE SOMETHING EXACTLY AS THE ORIGINAL AND NEVER WILL YOU BE ABLE TO!!!!
KEEP WAITING 4 THE NEXT MILLENNIUM… BUT YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW IF YOU WILL BE ALIVE TOMORROW!!!!!!!
STOP TAKING SCIENCE 4 GRANTED!!! ITS BASED ON JUST ASSUMPTIONS!!!!!
Artificial beings have fully the physical and bionically appearance of uncloned ones
“NEVER COULD YOU CREATE SOMETHING EXACTLY AS THE ORIGINAL AND NEVER WILL YOU BE ABLE TO!!!!”
It can be fully achieved
‘Wen a person is blind, u take an eye from a recently dead person n tryy to fix him, but you donâ€™t use ur technologies n materials to build one n replace that!!!!”
Did you ever hear of Stem Cells, with these any part of the body can be replaced although this technique is still experimental
“STOP TAKING SCIENCE 4 GRANTED!!! ITS BASED ON JUST ASSUMPTIONS!!!!!”
These assumptions are then scientifically proved
Judging by what you say, you don’t even know anything about Science and and Technology
Debating any further is USELESS, everyone has his/her own ideas about it
I do know 1 or 2 things and I’d like to share..
Things that most people know but may ,even so ,need to be worded .
The sperm competing against his millions of ‘brothers’ in the frenetic race to reach the ovum first is as ALIVE as that said ovum . Life DEVELOPS in the woman’s womb ,it is NOT CREATED .
Mothers give BIRTH [let’s cherish them for that] they don’t give LIFE .
As soon as one sperm penetrates her the ovum kills all the other sperms within reach . This [happy?] couple then fuse to form a zygote . The zygote starts a cycle of cell division [in effect IT CLONES ITSELF] which multiply the number of cells .
When a sufficient number is reached , those COMPLETELY IDENTICAL cells evolve into the various DISSIMILAR organs of the body .
THAT IS WHY THEY ARE CALLED stem CELLS .
These transformations takes place WITHOUT ERROR : you will never see someone born naturally , with the eyes on the abdomen ,the nose on the back , or the ears on the shoulders .
It is this capacity of the stem cells to evolve without errors into their destined organs which researchers are trying to understand and emulate . Regenerative medicine is counting on that research to , at last , be able to treat damaged nerve cells .
Right now , though , they are further from success than you think and no scientist would dare say that any part of the body – e.g. the eyes- can be replaced using stem cells .
NEITHER somatic cell nuclear transfer (SCNT) NOR cloning involve ARTIFICIAL CREATION OF LIFE .
For years now , many successful experiments with SCNT and cloning have been carried out . All of them have been performed using already LIVING matter .
In November 1998 Advanced Cell Technology using SCNT developed -as they say – a method of producing ” primitive human embryonic stem cells” . That is not the same thing as ”artificially created” ”embryo” .
Whatever your sources ,you could read them more carefully and grasp their meaning before using them in comments .
I think some of the metaphysical aspects of Dr Robert Lanza’s theory of Biocentrism might lead to a slightly less money-minded and a slightly more humane approach to stem cells research . Maybe that could result in a breakthrough in regenerative medicine .
One of the hardest task of growing up from adolescence to adulthood is to get rid of the attitude of the one who is always right . Dealing with that task can be worthwhile though . It can help to build your character .
Mone trouv sa post la dan tard, mo un peu paress pou comment la kar li assez old sa post la. Mais mo ti pou contan kito re ecrire ene similaire, par exemple lor paranormal si to kpav kumsa mo kpav debate. I am a paranormal reseacher since 6 years. Enfin guete toi. Merci!
Ah bein non, ena comment recent lorla, aster mo p trouv ban date la. mais bon un peu paress la pou comment LOL. but I will answer directly, Yes I believe in God. God is an energy thats all.
I grew up non believing too. Then one day, my point of view changed. I became very religious. Then I realised, religions are just vehicles to one thing, a creator. Non believers also believe in the aspect of a creator using the scientific term the Big Bang.
I also believe in the “GOOD”. I also believe god is not a religious entity. If he is sitting behind Allah and that I, a believer of Shiva, for example, say “I do not believe in Allah”, Then I interprete it this way: God is laughing at me seeing me behaving like that. This person likes me when he sees me as Shiva but hates me when he sees me as Allah, vice versa. Well he is the same one behind all these figures. This is my religious point of view. When it comes to science, I simply change all the mappings to energy. True science and true religion are twin sisters, where one goes, the other necessarily follows.
What follows is from Charles F. Haanel:
Thought is energy and energy is power, and it is because all the
religions, sciences and philosophies with which the world has
heretofore been familiar have been based upon the manifestation
of this energy instead of the energy itself, that the world has been
limited to effects, while causes have been ignored or misunderstood.
For this reason we have God and the Devil in religion, positive
and negative in science, and good and bad in philosophy.
All the big religions preach a single higher omnipresent power
– Christianity: only 1 GOD (pray only GOD and nobody else, Bible)
– Islam: only 1 GOD (pray only GOD and nobody else, Quran)
– Hindu: only 1 GOD but many roles, hence many names and representations. too vague for people to focus on (Ramayan)
If you study well, they’re not in conflict with each other… Even in science (something is true until proven otherwise :P), what cannot be explained now must be the work of a superior power…
I have no right to impose my opinion on anyone. But I would surely say that if you watch nature very closely, you will notice that there is such a perfection in it that if we deny that there is something highr than ouselves who is in control of everything, then we have lost our faculty of observation. Just wake up in the morning, you will surely notice that the sun is here to give you life and light. The moon waxes and wane and controls the ocean and life on earth.This has been going so for aeons. Just see how the seasons are timed in a perfect way. You can call that power by any name. Religions are simply a product an inspiration by those who have watched nature or the universe very closely. Some people has come very near to that power through meditation and observation.The issue is not whether religious people are good people. I see much immaturity in many of your comments. Those of you who deny the existence of a higher power, How much time have you spent in considering questions like. Where do I come from, what am I doing here and where I am going. It is only very few evolved people who have dedicated their whole lifetime in search of these answers and when they have found answers to that they have become the spiritual guide to many.Personally I have not a single doubt that there is a power that pervades the universe and this power is also within all of us because we are part of that infinite universe. So go deep within yourself and seek the answer.Try to dedicate a little of your time to go within instead of writing unnecessarily. Even Einsteim theory of relativity came to the conclusion that the universe is animated by energy and what we call matter is simply crystalization of this energy.
Nopes Sir, science requires you to prove your theory first not the converse as you would wish to fool yourself that you can fool us with this kind of half-truth, come on…
Yes, in the name of religion you’ll kill anyone that’s against your views. All religions say the same shit and will never admit it.
If you say “I have no right to impose my opinion on anyone”, I can only but laugh, because once someone will say your beliefs are not correct, you’ll flame him/her, just like any other delusional god-believer of your kind, I bet YOUR head on that!
I think you have come to the wrong conclusion, if people are killing in the name of religion, it is not the fault of religion. It is because of misinterpretation of religion for selfish ends. No religion speaks wrong. if you have a veil of shit covering your eyes then no doubt you will come to the conclusion that all religion say the same shit.
You again got my message wrong. i have no intention to declare war against anyone. simply you remove the veil from your eyes first then and only then you will understand the message.
Oui missiÃ©: pa touy moi si mo pa dakor ar ou. Pa merci.
Bann ‘croyants’, alle dire ou prett / pandit / imam / longaniss / sipaki self-appointed religious leader to do this kind of thing… Or this…
These objective feats thoroughly prove that god-based beliefs and similar ritualistic superstition do not participate in the advancement / benefit of mankind.
First of all, I find this blog very interesting where we can share our points of view on different topics. Well, concerning this topic, I think that God does exist and He is still working in men that is making them to be better persons. I have seen people being changed when they have been touched by God. Long ago, they were full of anger and get easily irritated and nowadays, they have less that anger in their hearts. This is my perspective about the existence of God.
However ‘well -meaning’, I would advise Yashvin to comment on the issues he has with ‘his’ (former?) religion/culture, less misunderstandings occur. The issue of pork/pig-products is a essentially an issue of law for Muslims. Should the need arise, when Halal(permissible) food is not available, then in a ‘life or death’ scenario, what Muslims consider to be Haraam (forbidden) becomes permissible.
I’m amazed at the sanctimonious sermonising that’s taking place on this thread, by all manner of people, exhorting the ‘fallacies’ of their religions/cultures and competing with one another in ‘out-atheising’ each other! The acid test is, what would happen if someone insulted Hinduism/Christianity/Islam in front of an individual, who claims to have been an adherent of one of the aforementioned?
Perhaps we should ALL take a reality check. Mauritius is not the most ideal of places to use as a testing ground for religious/racial tolerance~!
Hellooo! I firmly believe in God 😀 not only God, but also Angels, Messengers and Holy Scriptures and the Afterlife! We should try watching sunrise or sunset (or both) more often!! 😛 If not God then who made such a flawless sky, such a beautifuuuul sea!Â
Some people doÂ suffer, yes. It is so forÂ others(not suffering)Â to realise their good fortune [and thank God!]Â Â Maybe to us some people appear to be suffering, but could it be that they are not feeling it? Anyway,Â we are all sufferingÂ – we have toÂ get up and go to work!! 😛
Hi! Glad that you finally landed here 🙂
I DO NOT KNOW
This is probably the only honest answer to your question, ‘ Do you believe in God?’. I do not believe in any religion, nor do I worship any subtle form of a higher power. But I honestly do not know if there is a God or not. Believing or not believing will both affect my judgement, they are both a limitation.
How can I believe in something I do not know? This universe is so vast, the possibilities so many. Science says there is an initial cause, but no one knows what it is. The laws of physics crumble down at some point in space-time, so there might be something out there that is beyond our human comprehension, maybe something outright farfetched, or something so removed from a linear logic that we might not even grasp it.
I simply find it more thrilling, more fun to leave some things a question mark, there’s beauty in mystery, demystification is such a pain in the ass too. But I do understand your point of view here, the word God in this context doesn’t really refer to some scientific initial cause, but to the old guy depicted in those pictures, the religions, and this image is idiotic. I am myself not a believer, and I do enjoy questioning others belief, it’s real fun poking at their religions, such a touchy topic.
I guess i grew tired of the atheist arguments, and decided to come up with a fresh approach. neither believing or not believing, honesty seem to be the of importance these days.
I was always advised that if I want to keep my friends to never discuss religion. Well, even the important association, Mauritius Sanatan Dharma Temples Federation, only discussed the cost of electricity production this week.
Abt the food thing i can say smthg for sure… God said..” guet to stomach avant, then to guet MOI!!!”…. hihihihihihi…