Note : This is only my point of view…
You may not agree with me, and express ur own beliefs…
God is a figment of man’s imagination.
We YOU created him in our your undeniable lust for security and a need for purpose. God doesn’t exist. Until evidence is given to support His existence, no rational thinker can put faith into religion.
Its not a secret, I simply never believed in god…
Everybody in my surroundings know well how much i care for him, to such extent that during any hindou fast, i have either Chicken or lol “Mo saucisse et mo disefs” (copyright @mong colleagues)
I found no reason y i should follow those millions of ppl praying to those imaginary ‘creatures’ but nevertheless, i do respect their way of life…
One simple example, i quoted this today @ work….
This Sunday, i read in 5-Plus that a few hindou devotees owned their life to the “Kawal” they built and were carrying back to their village after their pilgrimmage to Grand Bassin. Some driver has unfortunately lost control of his car, hit with 3 of them and struck with the Kawal.
Those pilgrims feel that without their “kawal”, they would have probably lost their life…aaarrrrrrrr!
If instead of wandering on the street, on their way to pray to ‘Him’, they would probably be at home and none of them would have been hurt in anyway, nor would have his leg plastered! lol !
The only times i go to Grand Bassin, is when we go out for Plucking Goyaves de Chine or for a picnic somewhere, with lots of food in the car 🙂
I think its the 4th year i havent gone there to “pray”…
Quite often, i like to question people:
To croire dan bondier?
While some of them would answer by a firm “OUI”, a few of them would reply back “wi imper imper”
How can u believe in something “imper”?
Its either a YES or a NO!
One simple reason y (some) ppl (especially youngsters) believe foolishly in God is because since their birth, they have been always been taught that ‘the one above’ will always here to help you in ur bad times, you must pray constantly, blabla….its because the way you were brought up.
just ask ur parents, they will continue the paragraph…
Not believing in god, keeps me open minded, enables me to understand other people in my surroundings, without first asking myself “hey malbar sa, non lascar, or even nation sa!”
Not believing in god gives me the liberty to believe in other things, use that time in a more constructive way doing things i like, spending time with PEOPLE WHO REALLY EXIST, instead of believing that one day, my wishes will be realized, probability -0.01 …
And what if its purely a coincidence that ur wish has been fulfilled?
Have u ever thought of that?
As said someone : “L’espoir fait vivre les imbeciles….”
I have stopped counting the number of time i get clashes at home, just because i dont follow the beliefs of my parents or my surroundings, or because i eat things which a hindou is not supposed to eat….
Hey u indian guy/gurl, have u ever tried Porc/Beef?
No? Perhaps you need to give it a try!
& what if one day u have nothing to eat, except some delicious miam miam, porc/beef meat?
God’ if ever u r reading my blog and dont like wat am saying here,
you, who possess all those powers,
ban my blog,
make my server hard disk crash,
Oh god, u can do everything, ya, really everything!& y dont u leave a comment btw? LOL
Yashvinblogs 
Nazirah mone start lire to comment, mais premier phrase mem mone areter, pa la coze li trop longue , mais a coze de ca :” Ben moi je crois fermement à Dieu.” pa ti siposer Ben moi je crois fermement EN Dieu? Enfin mo pa francais , mo ene moricien, kav mo p fer erreur..:D
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@ Jumping Turtle:
ouiii t’as raison hahaha jme suis trompé dsl! et merci de m’avoir corriger.
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Difficult to resist posting on such a topic! I havent read all 100+ posts, but i get the funny feeling they’ll all be either “i-believe-in-god-he-has-created-everything-screw-science” or “i-dont-feckin-believe-in-bloody-god-those-who-do-are-old-fashioned-and-communalist-bastards”!
I highly recommend people who are interested in this topic to read Dan Brown’s ‘Angels and Demons’. Its fiction alright, but he deals so well with science v/s religion, organised religion, how religion has evolved over the centuries, etc. Its amazing how he reconciles science and religion, and God’s place in all this: Camerlengo Ventresca and Kohler’s parents as those who are total followers of organised religion, Kohler himself as a science devotee who thinks less than little of everything religion, and Leonardo Vetra who is a scientist AND a priest (yes, you heard!).
I was completely taken by the said reconciliation. Vetra the scientist explained the Big Bang Theory to Robert Langdon, and when it came to explaining singularity (still the moot point), Vetra the priest considered the tremendous energy needed for the Bang as being…God! Its really quite poetic! 🙂
I dont really remember everything in the book, but i wudnt have been able to match his clarity anyway, so do read it, its really very interesting!
As for my own views, well…I do believe in God. Its a question of belief, and i believe in God. Whenever i have some kind of problem, i sit down, relax, and talk to a picture of God. In so doing, am rehashing, rethinking about the problem, concentrating on it, and in the end, i invariably find a solution. Its the result of deep concentration on the problem, but the means through which i achieved that was by talking to a picture of God, so i think of it as a God-given solution. I KNOW its my own mind that extracted the solution from my brain, but for me, THATS God!
Now, i’ve read the first dozen posts, and i noticed that people who dont believe in God see those who DO as stupid, living in the past, intellectually diminished and less bright. Believing in God and being intelligent are not mutually exclusive, you know! Just like Leonardo Vetra! It’ll probably sound like a cliché, but many scientists do believe in God! The most famous of them, Albert Einstein, hangs in my study room, with a caption: “I want to know God’s thoughts…the rest are details…”
It seems to me that most of you have been unable to go deeper. The question, “do you believe in God?”, cannot be answered in a line or two. For one thing, most people havent been able to distinguish between organised religion and religion per se (again, i havent read all the posts; many might have done that, in which case i apologise!). Most of you seem to have a problem with organised religion (rituals that you dont understand and only have to do because your parents tell you to, countless gods, so-called miracles), and have reduced God to being merely one facet of organised religion.
But you cannot just skim the surface thus! Its such a complex, multi-layered debate, after all! Most of you consider God as the idol standing in a room of your house or in the temples. You try to seek him in this form. You consider him as just another human being who has pissed you off by being too arrogant! But try to change this way of thinking: what if God wasnt like those idols? What if Leonardo Vetra (and ultimately, Dan Brown) was right, and God is energy? The same energy that rules the whole universe, that is filled in every single matter particle and that can be released by Einstein’s even more famous formula E=mc2??
It does take a lot of change of mindset! And be warned, am not talking about those “energy” and “force” that ban vié dadi ek ban longanistes talk about, ok? Its Einstein’s energy, Newton’s energy, the energy that the physicists talk about.
Its so complicated, and at the moment, even am confused about some of the aspects of whatever i’ve talked about! But what am sure of is this: God does exist, in some form that might be inconceivable for us, making it hard for us to perceive him! But He does exist…
P.S. Someone called Josh described the Big Bang as the greatest hypocrisy of all times or something. The post might be a long time back, but i’d still like to say that if he knew everything about it, he wouldnt be saying that. Am talking, of course, about the M-theory and parallel universes, how it explains the Big Bang and singularity. Thats also very interesting, and the net’s rife with it, especially since CERN’s LHC experiment kicked off!
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LOL astr ki mo p lire sa post la… 😛
I do believe in god but in my own way… There is something more to what our eyes can see… Some things beyond the understanding of science… The creation of this world, this universe all is a mystery and even the existence of god… but i have felt His presence… 🙂
So i do believe… 😉 Sorry for being so late to reply 😛
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hi. i’ve stopped believing in god+religion since i was 11 when my CPE teacher told us that rather than wasting time praying to god, you should rather revise to get good results. i did my own experimentation in which i prayed to god to make me fail but i still got brilliant results for the cpe which fuelled my gradual decrease of faith in faith.
some people have suggested that science cannot explain everything but they seem to forget or don’t know that science is work in progess. theories are scientifically developped and quashed all the time and it’s only a matter of time before the unexplained things are proven.
if people believe that humans are the most perfect beings and god created us in his image, then he’s made a massive f**k-up.
i don’t know you guys are of the biology kind so i’ll give a brief example
our eyes are laid out in such a way that it is akin to playing the lenses of a camera with all the wires in front of it so the light passes through the wires first then hits the lens to produce an image which is unthinkable. can you believe it?
another example is our body becoming resistant to insulin which causes diabetes. why does it need to become resistant at all when it so important to our body or destroy the cells that make it (insulin enables our body to use glucose,btw. if you were to write a book praising all the inner and great working of our body, you would need a much bigger book to write about its inadequacies.
although i know this neither proves evolution nor disproves god. i think not practicing religion at all would reduce the evil in the world.
@ nazira. the story about a lizard self-hurting itself to get wings and boys born with short hair is more lamarckian theory (rarely mentioned and disproved so might not be spelled right) so i think you were taught the right thing about evolution at school which is why you don’t know it very well.
this post has become too long now so tc
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Dear friends,
I’m just being here to share my thoughts of believing in GOD.
As the science students, we already know and being taught that everything happen in this universe must be due to the presence of driving force, in terms of energy.just look to this beautiful earth, the planets, the sun, the galaxy and all in this unmeasured size of universe.How perfect the creation of all these things, and there must be a super big driving force in million years ago that initiate the formation of universe. It was explained by the BIG BANG theory in the early of 19th century.
And a lot of scientists and experts talked about the theory, led to the question: WHO CREATEs THIS UNIVERSE?
“There is a mind and purpose behind the universe. There are hints of that divine presence in how abstract mathematics can penetrate the universe’s secrets, which suggests that a rational mind created the world. Nature is fined tuned to allow life and consciousness to emerge.”
John Polkinghorne, British Physicist
“Science Finds God”, Newsweek, 27 July 1998
“In its standard form, the big bang theory assumes that all parts of the universe began expanding simultaneously. But how could all the different parts of the universe synchronize the beginning of their expansion? Who gave the command?”
Andrei Linde, “The Self-Reproducing Inflationary Universe”, Scientific American, vol. 271, 1994, p. 48
Surprisingly, before human start to talk about the BING THEORY in the 19th century,,,someone named MUHAMMAD, the messenger of ALLAH who lives about 14 centuries ago had stated the theory earlier and it was mentioned in a holy scripture in ISLAM, the HOLY QURAN…subhanallah.. God, ALLAH swt already mentioned that HE was the creator of this perfect universe in the surah al ANBIYA’ verse 30 which fully parallel with the BING BANG theory.
“Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before We clove them asunder, and We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?” (The Qur’an, 21:30)
In the Qur’an, which was revealed 14 centuries ago at a time when the science of astronomy was still primitive, the expansion of the universe was described like this:
“And it is We who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it.” (The Qur’an, 51:47)
The word “heaven”, as stated in this verse, is used in various places in the Qur’an with the meaning of space and universe. Here again, the word is used with this meaning. In other words, in the Qur’an it is revealed that the universe “expands”. And this is the very conclusion that science has reached today.
Until the dawn of the 20th century, the only view prevailing in the world of science was that “the universe has a constant nature and it has existed since infinite time”. The research, observations, and calculations carried out by means of modern technology, however, have revealed that the universe in fact had a beginning, and that it constantly “expands”.
At the beginning of the 20th century, the Russian physicist Alexander Friedmann and the Belgian cosmologist Georges Lemaitre theoretically calculated that the universe is in constant motion and that it is expanding.
This fact was proved also by observational data in 1929. While observing the sky with a telescope, Edwin Hubble, the American astronomer, discovered that the stars and galaxies were constantly moving away from each other. A universe where everything constantly moves away from everything else implied a constantly expanding universe. The observations carried out in the following years verified that the universe is constantly expanding. This fact was explained in the Qur’an when that was still unknown to anyone. This is because the Qur’an is the word of God, the Creator, and the Ruler of the entire universe.
HOPE this information would makes all people who still unbelieved in GOD start to THINK.
For further detail and more search on finding the truth, you may reach this websiteS
http://www.harunyahya.com/articles/70big_bang.php
http://www.creationofuniverse.com/
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Hello, you quoted Polkinghorne but he believes in evolution and also in turn quoted “After all, if there is no God, then God is incalculably the greatest single creation of the human imagination” in
The Faith of a Physicist
by John Polkinghorne, Princeton, Princeton University Press.
By the way, I would be interested in knowing what the holy book(s) you read have to say about the motion of the earth and the sun.
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It’s amazing how the post I think on Avinash blog has revived an old thread. Haha…Yashvin should get an award for the most commented post :p
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@Joshua : lol, revival of “Do you believe in God?”
Thanks for coming back here!
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@the friend.
relying on a man who relies on banning freedom of speech, spreading misinformation and relying on vague quotes about the creation of the universe doesn’t say anything about the existence of god. ‘thank god’ there are people smarter than him and his followers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan_Oktar#Blocking_of_Internet_sites
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@Ad2: When you pray to god and ur wish is not fulfilled does not mean He has ignored you or whatever… U said that u prayed to god so that u fail ur exams but u passed brilliantly…
Ok just think u go in front of ur parents and tell them: “Dad i want a gun so that i can shoot myself”… So will he fulfill ur wish? 🙂
Just like ur parents and those who love you God always wants ur welfare… He knows what is best for you and this is what he does…
And if u say “Why does god also brings uhappiness and pain” Without the existence of unhappiness and pain you would never understand the value of happiness and peace 😉
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People will insist on looking for God on a plane they understand. They ask for stuff from him just like they ask for stuff from everyone else, they imagine him like some sort of gigantic architect who created everything, they see him as some sort of supreme ruler seated on a throne high up and controlling everything with a magic wand, and they think of him as a woman sitting at a computer, like yashvin did.
The thing is, he might not be in that form. He might not be on a plane we understand. It is kind of childish to stand outside, look up at the sky and shout “God, if you exist, come in front of me THIS INSTANT!!” And only if you can open your mind to the possibility that God might exist as something else altogether will you see it.
At ad2, who said “it’s only a matter of time before the unexplained things are proven” (by science):
Scientist do reckon that some things will never be proved. I forgot the name of the brainy guy, but he did say that, and cited as example something about separating quarks (i think) and them reacting the same way even though they are light years away from each other (meaning, of course, that whatever causes that simultaneous reaction travels faster than light!) Isnt that mind-boggling?
No, science doesnt have the answer to everything. Sometimes, you just have to put your trust elsewhere…
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@ helios. i did say it was a gradual decrease in faith so further experiences in life has deepened my belief that there is no god.
@anika. scientists of today won’t be able to explain unexplained things what about scientists of tomorrow? there’s a reason why there are investing billions of money into science.
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To ad2:
The fundamentals of science itself is based on assumptions..
For eg. the atom itself has got various interpretation of how it really is, and depending on the situation, we adopt a particular model. Science has proved very popular because it is working for most aspects, but does it mean it is the explanation behind everything…
And furthermore, as said previously, science is based on human logic and what you can perceive (your senses), but are your and logic senses perfect ? Is it that everything you perceive is the thruth !!
For e.g. a mirage. People see things but they are not really there !
If you have your mind set in a bubble, the ‘investment of billions of money’ into science is most likely to bias you into believing that science is everything.
Cheers …
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@Jing
I cannot more than agree with you.
Science is based on assumptions which are nothing more than a figment of our imagination: our interpretation of how we qualify and quantify all the phenomena of our daily life.
And oh yes: science too has killed millions of people throughout history despite the unmeasurable wealth invested in sucking the blood of human beings all in the name of ‘scientific progress’.
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U don’t have to believe in god dude. You need proof to believe in something, just like me, and almost everyone around you.
But I think there are lots of good stuff to learn from religious books, and lots of good things happen during religious rituals…seriously, try to think of it.
e.g. Rakhi is a well known religious event among the Hindu community and you can’t deny it is related to God, whoever he is. But, Rakhi is a good thing, it maintains a permanent bond of respect between someone and their brother(s)/sister(s)….unlike other places where guys get attracted to their own sister, which is something not quite acceptable among society.
When you talk bad about God, whoever he might be, you talk bad about so many things…Now that I’m thinking of it, if you can register a domain, setup a blog, how come, you can’t think of that?
plz reply, I’m bookmarking this address
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@The Other dude:
Now that I’m thinking of it, if you can register a domain, setup a blog, how come, you can’t think of that?
plz reply, I’m bookmarking this address
Sorry, but did not understand your question!
“you can’t think of that” really mean?
Thnks for commenting!
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At ad2 and almost all the others:
SCIENCE AND RELIGION ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE!!!
They do not necessarily have to be at war with each other. Physics and theology are not as impossibly oxymoronic as they sound. They both seek to understand how everything came to be created, they only to it in different ways.
I absolutely do not agree with all those who have taken sides: “science is better!” “No! religion is better!” Its like 2 little boys arguing who is the better team out of manchester united and liverpool! (only, in this case, Liverpool is waaaay better, obviously!)
Seriously, though, concerning science and God, the existence of one does not prove the inexistence or inadequacy of the other. I do not agree that if you believe in God, you must necessarily be stupid or naive or old-fashioned. I believe in God, not “impe impe”, as some do, but fully. BUT i am also passionate about science. As i already pointed out in my ‘inaugural speech’, a giant framed picture of Einstein hangs in my living room. I made it a must to visit the science museum when i went to England. I studied Biology in HSC. I especially like reading about black holes and the theory of everything. And still i believe in God…
Does that make me stupid??
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Btw, that should have been: “They both seek to understand how everything came to be created, they only DO it in different ways.”
😀
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I BELIEVE IN GOD…..
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I DONT BELIEVE IN RELIGION and GOD…
RELIGION HAS BEEN PRESENT ALL THE TIME JUST TO BRING PEOPLE FROM THE SAME COMMUNITY TOGETHER, SO THAT THEY CAN BECOME A POPULATION, HAVING THE SAME THINGS IN COMMON, AND THAT’S PATHETIC!!!
BELIEVING IN GOD TOO IS THE SAME THING….MALBAR ENA 10-15 BONDIER, LASCAR ENA ALLAH EK SO BAN MESSENGERS, NATION P PRIER ZEZI OU SOR MA…TOU SA GODS LA???
1 PERDE DE TEMPS SA…FRANK TOU…
SAK PENSER BONDIER EXISTER OU RELIGION VO LA PEINE….ZOT PAS P ASSEZ DEVLOP ZT LESPRIT…
MO DAKOR EK AWOOTAR.
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franchement je ne sais plus moi meme ou me situer.. croyant ou non croyant… en tout cas somethings’s sure… jai pleins de doutes.. concernant la religion c sur je ny crois pas … pour moi ce sont des set of rules and norms which were created to be advantageous for the one creating them. sifranchment dieu existait…comme le dit the scientist.. ti pou ean 10000 bonsie lor laterre?? sakaine so croyance.. sakene so pratik..ene mange boeuf.. lot pas manger.. ene pas mange porc..eski franchement si demain mo mange porc, ene lot mange boeuf eski sa faire moi psse pour moins bon au yeux dene lot personne de religion differente.. mo kner ki ptet c ki mo p dire doesnt make sense mais ou je veux en venir cest estce vraiment nrmal cette multitude de beliefs??et par ki hasard ki ban catholik sorti lorient ou disons israel et ki ban buddhiste sorte lorient.. same for hindus etc..eskisak bndier ine dire “hey jesus to kner .. mone faiguer r lamerik moi ta.. mo krwra mo ale faire ene letour lorient.. trouve toi plio tard” et comme par hasard c sa ban dimoun ki dan sa lendroit specifik la kine priye ne bondie specifik? for me THAT does not make much sense. mo pas kenr si zot kne “lhomme de gaia” . en resume cst ene ancienne civilisation ki ti p venere la nature comme dautres civilisations anciennes .. par exemple zot venere le soleil, le vent , le tonnerre etc.. mias apresa voir reussi a dompter.. les animaux, leau (via canals for irrigation) etc.. en gros a developper lagriculture, zot ine kmence cree ban statuettes ou “idoles” a limage de lhomme liem… et la theorie dire ki c a cet instant ki lhomme ine commence venere ene dieu a son image.. ki en fait la preuve qui lhomme venere liem et li egocentric. bref pour conclure .. dieu existe ou pas..cest un debat eternel..et pour ceux qui disent que quand ils ont prie ils on vu ceci cela a change dans leur vie.. franchement .. dimoun dire pareil pou horoscope lor facebook : / c dan la tete sa.. never underestimate power of the brain. bref je joue un peu le role de saintmathieu ici, nest ce pas ? je ne peux croire sans voir ..ben cest vrai.. instruction made me this way.. im not speaking of education as you can see.. ene ti parenthese par contre mo krwra dan ban nam etc.. enfin esprits ..et ca c par experience:D sur ce bonsoir
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oh and btw : / for those who think that a man looking like capitaine haddock has taken flech from his side and man etc and who are 100% sure of it…this is stupid : / mo prof catechese meme pas ti interprete sa de la sorte alors : / mais mo reste bete ena dimoun vraiment croire ki sa ine passe like dat
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well,to start of with i must say i also dnt believe in god but yet i do pray to sumtin i dnt knw wat it is ba i do pray!
i dnt knw hw otherz take god 2 b, but for me addressin 2 god is like adressin 2 sum1 who dose not exsit bcoz i hv neva seen or heard anytin from god him/herself(so i cnt tell tell if itz a female or male!)
i take it as tokin 2 sumtin where i cn let everytin out n jst ask 4 wat i need n thank 4 wat i hv(realising how lucky i am 2 hv wat i hv while many other ppl do seek wat i hv.
i would say believing in god n prayin r 4 weak ppl( i agree am weak datz y i do it!), weak ppl need sumtin dat dey cn count on all da time,sumtin dat dey cn turn 2 when dey need help,sumtin where there can be thankful 4 wat they have!that is when the word God cums in as the sumtin that we need 2 believe in!
n as 4 regilion….dat is sumtin else dat i think has been created by humans who r much more intelligent than us to help us in our life by setting rules n regulations to follow in life!
eg. this karem is not jst 4 anytin tkin on a health side,in a way it makes us do a sacrifice for our own health n well being!
religion is a gud thing 2 follow but one shud follow it without any misunderstanding,bcoz all religion preachers gud things we r the ones who misunderstand them n turn religion into bad way!
No 1 has 2 follow a religion if they r gud at heart n do gud things.
God is there for those who believes in him/her n if he/she really exist then he/she will be there 4 those who dnt believe in him/her.
Thank you 4 putin up such a topic where many ideas can be shared!
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Hello Everyone.
I am happy to announce that this blog is now 3 years old!
Check out the anniversary post.
Cheers,
Yashvin
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lol yashvin imagine tou sa money kine ale dans coco,sandals,etc, etc!!
moi mo pas really religious…
mo mom religious and mo dad not..
i eat everything..except dogs n cats…mice ossi..
i pray if only mo ek mo mom…n if i pray then i pray with my whole heart n sa ossi for her mostly…mo cone tou prayers ki exister, values blah blah blah..mais who cares man..mone grow up dans sa lenvironment la…
pour moi god was created by man pour explik bane stuffs ki zote pas comprend like laplis,zeclaire,tonnerre(bondier in encolere dans lepok margoze) et later pou control la population par les rois…
btw pork is the best meat ever!
bacon miam miam!hehehe
si seulement mo mom lire sa!!li pou touye moi!!!hahaha
lol!
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I respect ur opinion abt GOD but I TOTALLY DISAGREE wiz U!
Look around U and observe CAREFULLY. The world has been created for the benefits of HUMANS.
Reflechi impé…Si to p marcher lor n xtra grand désert to trouve bans traces lipié, ki to pensé…Ena dimoune kine passe par la. Si to p ale dan n la foret dense et to ale trouve n xtra vieux la caze, ki to pou dire..bizin ena dimoune ki ti reste la bien avant.
Alor to trouve tou sa ki entour twa et to penser zot existe par zot mem…IS IT LOGICAL? Mem to propre loto, eski to pensé ki so bans la roues, volant, tole etc… ine vine ensemble par zot mem pou forme loto la? NO dear. Bizin enan ban engineering derriere sa. Alor to trouve tou sa kitchose ki ena autour de twa la et to penser li existe par zot mem…That’s not logical. GOD really do exist u believe it or not. Pren comme exemple chiffre 1. Avant li perna narien et chiffre li unlimited tou comme existence BONDIEU.
Eski avan to dir ki GOD pa exister, tone fer kit recherche?
To bizin reflechi bocou twa. Pren exemple oxygen ki dan l’air li 21%. Si li ti environ 25%, tou saki lor la terre bruler excepter bans poles. Quand la pluie tomber depuis 1200m hauter li ti kpav blesse n quantité dimounes mais heureusement ena frictional force contre li.Ca amorti vitesse ek so forme. Nu bizin protein, vitamin etc pu la santé nou lécor, et hop li existe dans ban kitchose ki autour nou ki nou consommer… Depuis longtemps bans dimounes pren de l’eau de ban puits et hop to trouve ena roches imperméables ki stock sa de l’eau la… DERRIERE ca aussi ena n pli GRAND engineering ki apele li DIEU.
Am sorry for our fate. Et pa penser ki nou banes parents zot bans imbéciles kan zot dir nou ki DIEU existe. Pa veut dire ki quand nou fine comprend impé l’univers, veut dire ki nou kone tou.
“Dans l’alternance de la nuit et du jour il y a des signes pour les gens qui sont doués d’intelligence”
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Damn i really like guibs way of reasoning 😀
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Infact l do beievein god..
God is not in some kind ov creatures or pictures..its simply deep inside our heart..
Its not only wen u r in distress zat u go n pray…zis is ridiculous..
We must alwaz remember as we sow so shall we reap..zats is we must be concious about wat we r doing..if we do somfing bad its sure and certain zat we shall reap somfg bad in the future..
Sometimes l do pray but not praying as if am asking for somfg but its only for some peace ov mind..
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I believe in GOD Yes or NO.
I will leave it on you after reading my text till the end.
Everyone have their views and opinions.
You cannot force someone to believe in GOD right.
There’s a belief that says,”Believe what you see or else why you should believe thing that you don’t see.”
My point here is put religion apart and just target your belief on LOGICAL.
Yes only through LOGIC than that you can perceive what is good, what is bad, what is right and what is wrong.
One of the most cutting edge example is the SUN. Nobody can approach the sun coz it so hot and burning; it will burn everything.
Between the earth and the sun there’s the layer called OZONE. What would happen to earth if there was no OZONE. The question is who place the ozone there? Man!! who created it? man!! The ozone needs to be a very solid layer so that it reduces the heat to protect the earth and that it last long. Who tested it before it was placed there? Man!! Finally if the ozone is there to protect us from the direct rays of the sun, then who created the sun itself and placed it there. It came by itself. The logic is there must be a powerful force behind it. That what it called none other than GOD.
Now GOD is not seen. Like someone righted written above that you cannot draw love but you can feel love. So GOD is invisible. If HE is invisible, no one knows HIS true form. How can somebody associate image or idol to HIM. Generally people associate GOD to Human Factor. The question is can GOD resembles a human. A human is so vulnerable to a point that if two persons speaks to him, he should tell one to stop and listen one at a time. How will a human listen to the world. A human can see one thing at a time, how can see the whole world. To conclude GOD CANNOT BE A HUMAN NOR AN IMAGE NOR AN ANIMAL. That logical.
GOD is just a powerful force that resides in each and everybody. You like it or not. When you sleep your heart keeps beating. Who looks after the heart beat when you sleep. Do you have control on your heart when you sleep NO. When you awake your heart is still beating right. Do you believe the existence of GOD that resides in you now. The example posted above on the hairdresser and the dirty man with long hair unshaved is crystal clear of existence of GOD. GOD exists and you should go to HIM. Like the hairdresser, he exists, the man unshaved man with long hair should go to him. If he don’t go to him, then don’t say the hairdresser doesn’t exist. You got my point. IS IT LOGICAL!! IS IT SENSE!! YES IT IS FOR PEOPLE WHO MEDITATES AND TRULY BELIEVE THAT THE MYSTERY OF NATURE IS NOT BY ITSELF. ALMIGHTY GOD SEES WHAT I WRITE WHAT YOU WRITE AND WE HAVE BELIEVE AND HIDE IN OUR HEART.
That my opinion based on LOGICAL. Had I want I could keep on writing and writing but for intelligent people one example with meditation is enough to see thing differently.
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Very nice topic!
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i’ve been a non god believer since i’m 8 y.o …and now i’m 19 nad still a non god believer….like you or anyone else, i respect their belief
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hi yashwin….divana isnt hor 2 sujet…let me ask u a simple question…how do u kol zt??????4 nine mnfs u wr in ur mum womb bt nw tn vin n grnd bel dimun n putting u inside ur mum womb 1ce agn is imposible??????miracle???????????dnt u fnk zrs a force,more particularly zrs a BIG SOME1 bhind ol zes????
to ol zos who r saying we hv to bliv in fngs zt we hv seen only….i do hv an ans 4 zt…u no y we cnt C HIM??????kz we r sinners..
ok let say GOD dsnt exist…so yashvin i mst assume zt u r a believer of homosapien?????mins we wr singe avn n nw wz evolution nun vin as we r 2D????u agri wz zt dr????a non believer agri wz zs nly kz in ich n evry religion,z dnt blive in evolution of human….
being a chemist,a daily xplorer of science,let me tel u 1 fng yashwin…..til 2D no1 hs bin able to prove zt 1ce we used to b singe…and science hs evn proclaimed zt zrs nt evn a trace of similarity bet a monkey n human….do u hv am xplanatn 4 zt buddy???
ok 1ce agn i agri we wr monkey avn…bt y zrs stil monkey lft???y zt pn evolue pareil kom nu?????
am telling u ol zes jst to tel u zt our everyD life isnt a brouillon bt its a planned work….n bhind zs planned work lies GOD work..
one last fng i wna tel u..HE luvs his devotees n non devotees also…HES nt here to punish HIS children…bt HES here to give evy1 nt 1 bt lds of chnces…grasp zes golden chnces n lead a gud,clean life…
for 1 minute try to sit dwn in a quiet place n fnk of HIM..
ull C a new horizon,blive me
GBU ol
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@ sapna, please ask the god you believe in to grant you the gift of spelling.
@everyone
I am personally non-believer, but the only thing i want to ask, is that who has never ( among non believers) when in some trouble say ‘ oh god help me, or actually even tried praying’ , i did, and i did not work, but it gave me the time to get my mind off the problem and analyze the situation, so basically i believe, thinking of god, is like having a cigarette, a time you can kick back and analyze the situation you are in externally and think outside the box. Obviously please dont get me wrong, i am not saying god is a cigarette or it is good to smoke, you only have to find that thing that helps you kick back and analyze your issues externally from a different point of view. But as you can see in this world, it is easier for people to use GOD as their way of moving out of their usual way of thinking and analyzing things.
But being a non believer, i would say, Life is what you make of it, and you only get things you reach for, not the things you wait for.
In other words, if you wait for the apple to fall from the tree, you will get a rotten one, if you go get it yourself, you might get one not ripe yet, but hey, sooner or later it will get better.
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to YJ
dnt worry ill ask HIM to grant u z mind 2 undrstnd zs shortform “language”
hey dr being a croyant doesnt min am sitting home 24 lor 24 n am xpecting HIM to fr mw gne a first honour degree…lt me tel u 1 fng …acording to HIS parol,i min acording to z bible,”responsibility” is conCderd to b our main duty…
ey buddy ur simply sitting n w8tng 4 z apple?????wake up dr bkz ull mis evn z rotten one!
n one fng more dr….the life of a believer isnt as easy as u wna tell….bkm a true believer 1st n zn ull C hw many problm ull encounter on ur path…u no y its lkzt????those who blong to HIM,doesnt blong to zis world…..but believer dnt kas tet abt zos worldly problm bkz we no HIS wz us….n dnt worry knmm to pa croire en LUI,HE luv u…nvr HE wil punish u 4 zt..
JBU
Amen
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@sapna i do understand your short form of writing but when discussing on a valuable and considerate subject, proper english words and sentences should be used in order to get whatever you are saying across, obviously you can create mistakes, but not eat the letters of a word lol.
Also, as i assume its because you often use, shortened ‘english’ ( if we can even call what you wrote english) you did not get my point ( which i wrote in proper english), that is, from the apple example, i meant you need to reach for things even if they are not ready to be taken or dealt with, and you should then add your effort into it to make it reach perfection.
Also i never stated that the life of a believer was easy, you totally got the point of my writing above wrong ( again due to the lack of practice in reading proper english perhaps). Of course a believer’s life is not easy, because you will always have someone, ( like me and if he allows me to say so like yashvin (author) ) a non believer who will make you face the reality you want to avoid, but i have full respect for you as a believer, if thats what gets you through life.
P.s : I am not claiming that i know perfect english, or that you are illiterate in english, but thats what you make me feel by your writings.
Quick question, would you give a CV into shortened english to a future employer, dont think so.
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i will surely apologize if my shortform languauge is bocoming a barrier for people to understand my message….well whether you judge me or not,whether my way of writing p fair tw penC i am a nut in english,i really don’t mind because of course its not you who will give THE FINAL VERDICT!!!
let me tell you one thing dear…its easier to converse with a non believer than to get into conversation with a non christian..and franchment never mon encounter problems with other people because of HIM….i encounter problems because christians simply dont belong to this world…because we dont drink,no smoking,no sex before marriage……
i think people find it really hard to live a decent life!
bon cki mo kav dir tw c may you realise THE TRUTH pli vit posib and JESUS BLESS YOU dear…
P.S;are your an english teacher??i still remember komier crie mo ti p gagner at school because of this shortform language!!!
AMEN
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@ sapna haha, no i am not an english teacher :), and i appreciate the fact that you take my criticism with a sense of humor, this proves that even though you believe strongly in your faith and religion, you are not blinded by it. I agree with what you said about it being harder to have a conversation with a non christian ( or any other religion, depends from what view you look at it.) it as a shame that different religions cannot come to a general agreement on everyday basis, ( i hate it when religion clashes as we are all humans and we should all live along each other, not against). And yea, my mind is not closed to religion, maybe i have not experimented and found the right one, but i feel i am good as i am and maybe in the future i will find a fall into religion.
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i agree with you YJ that there will be a fall in religion.en passan its alrdy happening.. because as i stated above,well i dont know about other religions,but christians dont belong to this world…and people find it easier to take the path that lead to TEMPORARY HAPPINESS rather than the one leading to ETERNAL HAPPINESS..temporary happiness is really easy to find AND EXTREMELY easy to lead to astray!!!! but ETERNAL HAPPINESS is ……i really cant describe it dear….because you must feel it..you get such a peace of mind that whoooowww,,,,,simply whooowwww…and sincerely i hope that very very soon you experiment that peace,not wordly peace but peace of heart..well u can say am a mad girl,but its as if JESUS has capture our heart..
i don’t deny that you are good…am sure to bizin n extra bon garson…i was like you too dear but my life was incomplete till i accept HIM…and when ive accepted HIM,i got kicks upon kicks!!!i lost many many friends,my best friend isn’t my best friend anymore…but i don’t worry because i no HE is here for me..am not alone!
hope sincerely you don’t ‘fall’ into that fall of religion!!
JESUS BLESS YOU
AMEN
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I had to add smg here yash 🙂
yes I do believe in god.
Bof different individuals= Different opinions.
And and… those who do not believe in god..do not have to make such a fuss and just don’t try to look for proofs.(if any)
D’ailleurs, n tas zafer in passer dan le monde,and scientists did not manage to prove those till date..d’ou vient l’expression leave it to god.
We are living in a butcher-like world and to survive each of us need smg to keep going- yea there is family, there are friends, ena to blog 😛
Parei ena bon dieu my friend.
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Hey there are two Crystals in here!
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I guess we once had this discussion during the durga puja fasting…I am simply telling you I believe in God…
I always feel that there is a divine energy guiding you. I may be demotivated at one time but i know somewhere He will never let me down.
Let’s wait n see…what happen for ur wedding..r u not going to follow those religious rituals ????? 🙂
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@Chaya J : Si mo ti cpv mo ti pu prend sover pu marriaze lol. But unfortunately, pu faire dimoune content, mo bisin zouer le jeu…. sans oken belief….
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Typical comment on this post:
“I believe in (insert own belief). You believe in (insert other belief) but that is not right. You should believe in (insert own belief).”
“Arguments put forward FOR science: Proof of God needed, where is God, no evidence of God’s existence…blah blah blah (no mention of science, only contradicting the opposing view)
Arguments put forward FOR God: who created the bloody universe, what is life, science has no answers to certain things…blah blah blah (no mention of God, only contradicting the opposing view)”
At the end of the day, if you know the clear answer to something, science is at the root of it (people argue about how religion and God has created conflicts, but fail to see how science has given humans more weapons to kill each other!)
If you don’t know the answer to something, then God HAS to exist (no-one knows for sure how the universe was created, so God HAS to exist?? that’s absolute rubbish! I don’t know who ate my sandwich the other day while I left my desk, does that mean God exists and stole it?).
Nobody argues that they might not be right and they have only chosen a system of belief so that they can pick a side in this insane debate. No-one argues their standpoint without rubbishing the opposing claim (argue your own points instead of saying the other one is wrong!!). The very need to argue is nonsensical. I believe in Jeremy Clarkson, Richard Hammond and James May as being my Holy Trinity, why should I give a damn about what you say?? Why should YOU give a damn about what I believe in??
This reminds me of the never-ending discussion about which football team is THE BEST IN THE WORLD EVER: Manchester United or Liverpool. No-one comes out a winner while arguing, we are all losers.
Because we can’t just accept what we believe in, we can’t accept the uniqueness of individuals! Oh no! We have to be bitches and make sure EVERYONE share our beliefs too! You can’t only accept that Man Utd are the better team, you have to make sure the Liverpool fan knows his team is shit, because it’s impossible for 2 sets of people to think differently, isn’t it?
@yashvin: sorry for the blogpost-size comment, no wonder I rarely get material for my blog, I just end up writing everything on other blog posts.
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@Yashi : lol. Don’t worry if the comment is long but I think that you wrote something meaningful and it makes sense. But as I always say, each one of us can have their own belief, and I will respect it.
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ISAAC NEWTON:
” A Heavenly Master governs all the world as Sovereign of the universe. We are astonished at Him by reason of His perfection, we honor Him and fall down before Him because of His unlimited power. From blind physical necessity, which is always and everywhere the same, no variety adhering to time and place could evolve, and all variety of created objects which represent order and life in the universe could happen only by the willful reasoning of its original Creator, Whom I call the Lord God.”
[source: http://www.quotemaniac.com/Newton1.html%5D
Any of you trying to express their ‘little’ scientific knowledge about the non-existence of god should realise that the greatest scientist acknowledges a supreme existence. Whether we name it differently is another matter !!
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For your simple question, the answer is not that simple.
E.g: For the Bushman in S.Africa, a computer or the Segway will be just evil or maybe, if it happens to be of a certain help, from the gods.
I mean, that we reason as per our conception (of any thing) we have acquired during the amount of time we have been in contact with a certain type of people and the amount of infos available in our brains, since we have been in a certain place or places.
Who are we ? ZAKO !! Have you ever worked with some basic AI in some machine ? Then you will understand that, to create Intelligence is not that EZ. Then try to understand the logarithm of the human mind and compare an animal, an AI and the human. And all these, ‘wandering’ around the Sun, orbiting in this galaxy, in S P A C E, waiting for the final collision to happen, again. What is the ratio of your lifetime in SPACE’s lifetime. Who is holding all those galaxies, and beyond ? or simply from where is the sun pumping all that energy ? since it was created. Sorry, I can go on and on, but we are Bushmen in SPACE, we need to learn much much more before throwing answers.
I appreciate your question dear Yashvin, the best way to start discovering yourself, keep it, mange are li, BUT take care, great care. Negative things happens just too easy.
Ali
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My answer to your question: :
No. It doesn’t.
And I’m quite impessed by the candidness of your philosophy, Yashvin. The most impressive is that you say: “i do respect their way of life…”
I dis face the same reaction from my entourage when tehy came to know about my opinion, so I stopped. I just live my life according to what I think is best for my own self. If they want to think that I’m religious, let them be comfortedin that belief. It uses up too much energy to even discuss about it.
What is most striking how all those who do not agree with your statement are like little robots who are so fearful of someone courageous like you who dares speak out about non-believing. It’s as if they are programmed by their own religion to fear what does not conform to what they want to be the norm.
Keep it up, Yashvin. But keep your energy for more constructive things than to argue with robots, you are smarter than them in any way.
For all those who have to deal with aggressive religious behaviour (“mission”, témoinm jehova sipaki enkor, and any overlty / excessively religious acquaintance in your entourage who want to make you go back to their comfy delusion of religion:
– http://www.slate.com/id/2233586/
– all Richard Dawkins videos on Youtube: good humour, witty, but all the way profoundly intelligent!
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An atheist Professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem science has with God, The Almighty.
He asks one of his new Students to stand and…..
Prof: So you believe in God?
Student: Absolutely, sir.
Prof : Is God good?
Student: Sure.
Prof: Is God all-powerful?
Student : Yes.
Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him.
Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn’t. How is this God good then? Hmm?
(Student is silent.)
Prof: You can’t answer, can you? Let’s start again, young fella. Is God good?
Student: Yes.
Prof: Is Satan good?
Student : No.
Prof: Where does Satan come from?
Student: From…God….
Prof: That’s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student: Yes.
Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn’t it? And God did make everything. Correct?
Student: Yes.
Prof: So who created evil?
(Student does not answer.)
Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don’t they?
Student: Yes, sir.
Prof: So, who created them?
(Student has no answer.)
Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you.
Tell me, son…Have you ever seen God?
Student: No, sir.
Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?
Student: No, sir.
Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
Student: No, sir. I’m afraid I haven’t.
Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student: Yes.
Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn’t exist.
What do you say to that, son?
Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.
Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.
Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Prof: Yes.
Student: And is there such a thing as cold?
Prof: Yes.
Student: No sir. There isn’t.
(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)
Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat.
But we don’t have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that.
There is no such thing as cold . Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat . We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy . Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it . (There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)
Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn’t darkness?
Student : You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright
light, flashing light….But if
you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it’s called darkness, isn’t it? In reality, darkness isn’t. If it were you would be able to make
darkness darker, wouldn’t you?
Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?
Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?
Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can’t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one.To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it.
Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your Students that they evolved from a monkey?
Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.)
Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher? (Theclass is in uproar.)
Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor’s brain?
(The class breaks out into laughter.)
Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor’s brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir.
With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?
(The room is silent. The Professor stares at the Student, his face unfathomable.)
Prof: I guess you’ll have to take them on faith, son.
Student: That is it sir…. The link between man & god is FAITH . That is all that keeps things moving & alive.
P.S:
this is a true story, and the
Student was none other than………A P J ABDUL KALAM…the former President of India.
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FAIL! This has been said as an urban legend! Google it!
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There is only two Religions Men and Woman
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Mo ti pe assize bor lamer , mo senti fourmi ruz lor mo lazam ; mo pass lame mo kraz zot . Bel diskision kumanse dan Republik Fourmi Ruz. Enn bann ti pe dir : si Bondie ekziste , kifer 1 sel inn morde 23 inn mor ? Lot bann dir : pa koz koumsa , pa kone ki kapav ariv toi , kitfwa zot pe pey zot pese . Enn lot [ pa kone ki so relizion ] ti pe dir : Sagitarius pa ekziste ,sinon fourmi ruz pa ti pou pass mizer koumsa . Mo pane reponn li parski MO PA MARS LOR FOURMI RUZ SO LORD .
Si teori BIIIIIIGGGGG BAAAAAAAANNNNGG ti vre , l’iniver ti pou ena form enn boule . Si li ti ena form oval , kib ou bien konik oussi ti kapav ris-risse fer li rant dan sa teori la . Me dapre seki mone kompran , bann observasyon inn montre ki l’iniver ena form enn serk tibiler [ kouma lassam larou loto ] . Sa form la pa ekziste natirelma
lor later parmi ni lavi animal ,ni vezetal ni oussi mineral / cristal.
Dan l’iniver oussi – apar l’iniver li mem – ziska ler pankor gagn okenn ka kot sa form la ekziste natirelma . Si enn zour enn matematisien resi trouv sa ekwasion ki demontre ki li possib ki apartir enn pwin , x ek y kapav evolye an form enn tiyo ki al dan 2 direksion e ki rezwenn pli lwin pou form enn serk , pri Nobel pa pou asse pou li . Pou enn zeni parey , bizin fer so stati 300 met oter , e donn tou lari so non .
Enn lot zafer ki ZAME OKENN SCIANTIFIK PA POU KAPAV EKSPLIKE : avan Big Bang ena .
Mo ti anvi dir kiksoz lor Darwin ou plito lor teori l’evolisyon me mo ti neve asterla la ena bezwin vital pou zwe gaem lor mo komputer .
P.S : teori sinifye sipozisyon ; kouma tou dimounn [apar seki pa kone ] kone .
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